Re: Any anti-abortion atheists?

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:26:46 -0600, Erica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (robpar) wrote:
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>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:46:23 GMT, "Daniel T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Dufour) wrote:
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>> >> > >I've been wondering about this for the last few days.  Are there any
>> >> > >well known people around who are both atheists and are against
>> >> > >abortion?  Thanks.
>> >> > 
>> >> >   You should be more specific.  Do you mean atheists who are against
>> >> > allowing any woman to have an abortion for any reason or perhaps
>> >> > atheists who think the choice should be available but hope it is not
>> >> > needed? Or something else?
>> >> 
>> >> I was thinking more about finding abortion morally wrong.  Of course a
>> >> person can think it's a bad thing and still be pro-choice.
>> >
>> >I would find it morally wrong for any of my immediate family to have an 
>> >abortion (excepting extreme circumstances of course) but I have no 
>> >problem with other people killing their own fetuses. I don't have any 
>> >real problem with them killing their own 5 yo children either though, 
>> >just makes more room for my kids...
>> 
>>    I have a problem with the killing of a born human being. A fetus becomes a
>> baby when born.
>
>By that criteria, if the baby is born a month early, then it's a baby, 
>but if the fetus is aborted a month early, then it's just the expulsion 
>of a non-human being?  

Depends.  If the fetus is extracted intact and breathing is 'jump
started' it's a human being.  In this instance the fetus was removed
according to the sentient adult female's statement.

>Or how about five minutes before birth. Hey, why hurry with that 
>abortion. We'll just wait and kill it on it's way out. No problem. It's 
>not a human being yet, after all. Whew, just in time. A few minutes more 
>and we would have had a moral dilemma on our hands.

So?  Keep in mind "God" has no problem with abortions, genocide, or
eating your own offspring.

Deuteronomy 28
53   And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, 
the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the 
LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the 
straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:

1)  Moral dilemma's come up all the time.  Humans can only do the best
they can under the circumstances.

2)  According to the Bible the procedure was "God Swill(tm)."

1 Thessalonians 5 (KJV)

 18   In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God 
      in Christ Jesus concerning you.


The two verses are pretty 'cut and dried.'  Then there's the xtian
prattling about "divine plans" and "for a greater good."  Strange how
they aren't uttered on this subject.
         

   
             Stoney
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               and
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