Re: Supreme Court Damns Gujarat Government Over Riot Case

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Syed) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> On 16 Sep 2003 05:29:51 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kshatriya)
> wrote:
> 
> >Fake democracy maybe , corruption and nepotism maybe . But still
> >anything is better than military rule .
> 
> Not always. Ayub in Pakistan developed  lot of business , though he
> was an army dictator and his own kids were out of control. 

Yes, the Gandhar Industries did do wonders!

"Field Marshal" Ayub Khan celebrated his decade of development
in 1968. And immediately the people knew who have benefitted the
most from that decade of development. He can truly claim, "Apres 
moi, le deluge." If the "Field Marshal" hadn't decreed the 
elimination of "fake democracy" in 1958, then 1971 would have 
been a lot kinder on Pakistan. 

> Bhutto
> gave rights to labor but brought chaos and destroyed business so bad
> that it still  is recovering out of that shock.  I know one case in
> Bhutto time( interestingly in Nawaaz Sharif's nationalized foundry)
> where labor went so roudy, they were not producing anything but were
> getting free food and even beating engineers for not converting their
> absence in presence ( A to P) . One engineer was beaten with Re-bars
> and no one could help him as it was election time and Bhutto has clear
> instruction to the management , not to touch labour
> >
> >The problem is one of accountability .
>

General Ziaul Haq's lasting legacy to his country is
drug trafficking and the Kalashnikov culture. The military
has done far more harm to the nation than all the civilian
politicians put together.

> 
> True
> 
> >The military is accountable to
> >no-one in Pakistan since the judiciary is so weak and open to
> >manipulation. 
> 
> True and false. Judiciary  was/is weak in politicians time too, 

Pakistan hasn't had a "politicians time" at least since 
Ziaul Haq's coup d'etat. The military has ruled with an
iron hand continuously for the last quarter of a century, 
sometimes directly, and sometimes behind a civilian facade
for the government.

> just
> like Indian Gujarat Judiciary , bowed down to "Modi" . Indian Supreme
> court has shown some muscle but this is only first round of their bout
> with BJP. Let's watch the whole boxing match and  see who comes out 
> winner. 
> 
> >The emergency happened in India but the difference was
> >that the press fought tooth and nail against it , and people never
> >accepted it . 
> 
> Due credit goes to media, still played impartial enough role in
> Gujarat Fiasco. 
> 
> >The army also never took sides in the whole thing. The
> >thing which really broke emergency was the non-violent protest led by
> >Jaiprakash Narayan , and the Judiciary.
> 
> Didn't do enough research on  Idnain  democracy but will agree if you
> are sure. 
> 
> >
> >Maybe its time that people in Pakistan stopped relying on USA to end
> >military rule and start a non-violent movement like J.P against
> >military rule the next time it happens.
> 
> Non-Violent is a good idea but I dont have much trust in politicians
> sitting in the wings either . 

Their coming to power under democracy cannot,
by any stretch of imagination, be worse than 
the military ruling with unfettered powers,
responsible to no one but itself.
 
If democracy gets restored, at least, the voters 
will be able to decide at regular intervals whether 
the current government deserves to win another
term or not.
 
> Pakistan at present do not have a mature
> political force, especially that 'Molvi Fazal-ur-Rehman"  I been told
> , he is very corrupt and was on the pay roll of another corrupt
> politician "Kher" who gave him free WAPDA car with driver to go enjoy
> while Kher was power minister and many  other stories like that of
> him. 
> I heard  Kher took five cars from water and power ministry( WAPDA) ,
> two for his personal use, one for his wife , one air-condition Toyota
> hi-ace(seats removed) for his dogs and one he gave to  molvi  Fazal
> -ur-Rehman. 
> 

WAPDA has been too important to be left under civilian
management!! WAPDA has had a military CEO for a very 
long time. There are many a story about water and 
power supply for the pecuniary benefits to current 
and retired army officers who have turned into a
significant landowning class. Needless to say,
the military is very zealously guarding its perks
and privileges - it will not allow such a trifle as 
voters' wrath to affect its fortunes in any way. 

It is the army in Pakistan that decides who gets to 
steal in Pakistan and how much. The military is 
determined to retain that privilege even if it opts
for exercising power behind a civilian facade.
 
> Jamat -a Islami  amir is much sensible and mature personality  but
> then why are they together ??