Re: Any gobbling in Helsinki?

"henry alminas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "henry alminas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > For educational purposes only:
> > >
> > >
> > > So here it is - Thanksgiving day - and all the
> > > (surviving) turkeys are in hiding.  Has anyone
> > > heard about or from Holman?
> > >
> > > For those who partake - happy Thanksgiving.
> > >
> > > Best - - Henry
> >
> > Isn't the Thanksgiving Day really a celebration of the success of invading
> > colonialists over the local native population? In 1970, the town of
>  Plymouth
> > Rock asked one of the surviving Wampanoag people to speak at the ceremony
>  to
> > mark the 350th anniversary of the Pilgrim's arrival. Here is part of what
> > was said:
> >
> > "Today is a time of celebrating for you -- a time of looking back to the
> > first days of white people in America. But it is not a time of celebrating
> > for me. It is with a heavy heart that I look back upon what happened to my
> > People. When the Pilgrims arrived, we, the Wampanoags, welcomed them with
> > open arms, little knowing that it was the beginning of the end. That
>  before
> > 50 years were to pass, the Wampanoag would no longer be a tribe. That we
>  and
> > other Indians living near the settlers would be killed by their guns or
>  dead
> > from diseases that we caught from them. Let us always remember, the Indian
> > is and was just as human as the white people."
> >
> > Regards,
> > Martin
> 
> Martin gets huffy - I guess it doesn't take much to make him so.
> Thaksgiving is an established holiday within a given country.
> Your silly huffing will change nothing in that.

Where do you detect the huffiness? I just asked a question about
Thanksgiving Day, a holiday that is foreign to non-americans. Does
Lithuania have a Thanksgiving Day holiday too?

> 
> If you wish to believe the feel-good story made up for first-graders
> - do so.  In fact it is but a recycled "Thank the lord the last of
> the harvest is in" celebration.

Was it really? I thought the original thanksgiving was a "Thank the
lord the local heathen natives didn't slaughter us when we arrived and
occupied their lands" From the original 1676 Thanksgiving
Proclamation:

"The Holy God having by a long and Continual Series of his Afflictive
dispensations in and by the present War with the Heathen Natives of
this land, written and brought to pass bitter things against his own
Covenant people in this wilderness, yet so that we evidently discern
that in the midst of his judgements he hath remembered mercy, having
remembered his Footstool in the day of his sore displeasure against us
for our sins, with many singular Intimations of his Fatherly
Compassion, and regard; reserving many of our Towns from Desolation
Threatened, and attempted by the Enemy, and giving us especially of
late with many of our Confederates many signal Advantages against
them, without such Disadvantage to ourselves as formerly we have been
sensible of, if it be the Lord's mercy that we are not consumed, It
certainly bespeaks our positive Thankfulness, when our Enemies are in
any measure disappointed or destroyed; and fearing the Lord should
take notice under so many Intimations of his returning mercy, we
should be found an Insensible people, as not standing before Him with
Thanksgiving, as well as lading him with our Complaints in the time of
pressing Afflictions"

Regards,
Martin