Re: A visit to Katyn

"Eryk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 

> 
> > > A unique place in Russia, not so much for the crime commited
> > > there, after all, when looked at in context of Soviet crimes, the
> > >  shooting of 16000 polish oficers is no big deal, but for the fact
> > > that it is indeed commemorated.
> >
> Uno Hu,
> > Do you consider Belarus to be 'russia'?
> 
> No, you laughable American cretin  ......he simply knows that the Katyn
> Forest massacre is unrelated to the extermination of the village of 'Khatyn'
> in Belarus:
> 
> http://www.belarus-misc.org/history/chatyn.htm
> 
> ...but then I don't suppose a 'foreign puppet' like you can be expected to
> know any history.
> Eryk

Who are you calling "american cretin".. you fake britt?
My parakeet has more neurons than you could ever aspire to.

My question was for 'kalmenas' - not your fake self - anyway. Even if
your daddy might have been Polish..

The reason I asked, dummy, was to ascertain the level of understanding
of the true situation regarding 'katyin' - as the russians have gone
extreme lengths to hide their crimes in this matter.

The russian have gone so far as to manufacture an alternate 'katyn' in
Belorus - simply in order to introduce fake non-polish (russian)
victims to the propaganda pot. Their impulse - upon having been found
out as mass-murderers of Poles - apparently to be; 'Look! We was
victims too!'

Here go 'edumacate' your big-mouthed foreign fake self:

Associated Press July 29, 2000:
"...  
The graves also contain the bodies of about 500 Russian and other
Soviet victims of the Nazis. [Uh?] "Those who lie here, Russians and
Poles -- all of them are victims of totalitarian systems of the 20th
Century. Poland has never left them behind and will never forget
them," said Andrzej Przewoznik, secretary general of the Polish Union
of Memory group. "
http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Katyn/Memorial2000.html 

There were no russkies murdered at Katyn.. These fictitious (like
yourself) personages have been manufactured for obvious reasons:

"Whilst it is well known that Germany invaded Poland on September 1st
1939, it is less well remembered that a similar attack followed soon
afterwards on September 17th by Soviet forces. Indeed by September
28th 1939, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact had formally divided Poland
between Russia and Germany.
Following this point in time, 181,000 Polish soldiers were carried off
as prisoners to Russia as part of a wider campaign of ethnic
cleansing. Of these some 15,000 key Polish officers and intellectuals
were carefully segregated into the three concentration camps of
Kozielsk, Starobielsk and Ostashkov from where they were either
murdered or simply 'disappeared'. The former inmates of of the
Kozielsk camp, some 4,000 in all, were later found buried in the
forest of Katyn, near Smolensk, USSR. This location had already been
used by the Bolsheviks for the killing of Czarist officers in 1919."

" Responding to the "brilliant, unorthodox and disquieting" wartime
report made by Owen St. Clair O'Malley, British Ambassador to the
Polish Government in Exile, on the subject of the Katyn massacres, a
senior Foreign Office official commented: "It is obviously a very
awkward matter when we are fighting for a moral cause and when we
intend to deal adequately with war criminals that our Allies should be
open to accusations of this kind"."

..so much for any blanket extensions of 'righteousness'.

" At this stage it is worth noting that documents relating to Katyn
and sent to the Nuremberg trials by the new Labour government in
Britain were subsequently swept under the carpet even though other
evidence of Stalin's policy of genocide was emerging. Why?"

"In 1952 a US Select Committee carried out one of its most exhaustive
investigations ever into the affair, unanimously agreeing that "the
Soviet NKVD (the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs) committed
the massacre of Polish Army officers in the Katyn Forest near
Smolensk, Russia, not later than the spring of 1940". Indeed, the
committee also recognised that a plot to this effect existed as early
as the autumn of 1939, ie shortly after Russia's invasion of Poland."
http://www.pharo.com/warfare/katyn_forest/articles/wwkf_00_contents.asp

"Many people don't know what happened 
in the Katyn woods. Even more people would not recognize the name.
Katyn is a small village west of Smolensk near the Belarus border. It
was in the surrounding countryside of Katyn that one of the greatest
atrocities of World War II was committed."
The German-Russian pact had been sealed by Germany's Ribbentrop and
Russia's Molotov months before the war broke out. When these two
superpowers closed in on Poland, the Poles army collapsed under the
tremendous weight. Tragically Poles often let Russian troops come in
unharmed because they believed the Russian propaganda that they are
coming to aid the Poles. Once the Red Army took over Polish cities and
towns it began rounding up civilians and soldiers alike to be
imprisoned or executed."

"Churchill introduced a prerogative that Poland looks past Russia's
treachery and helped bring the Russians from the precipice of defeat.
In return he got the release of all Polish prisoners-of-war in Russia.
A worried Stalin readily agreed to the pact. This decision would
eventually lead to the discovery of the horrors of Katyn." " These
prisoners were not accounted for back in Poland and the Soviet secret
police, the NKVD, were denying any knowledge of the whereabouts of the
prisoners saying that all the prisoners had been released and returned
to Poland. "

"What they found was beyond their wildest imaginations. Upon
excavating a hill called Goat's Hill in the Katyn forest, the doctors
found layer upon layer of Polish soldier's bodies, some with hands
tied behind their backs, others with their trench coats tied around
their heads. The corpses showed signs of execution by firearms and
bayonets. There were many bodies with bullet holes in the back of the
skull."

{Just like the Chechen victims to be found in russian occupied
Chechnya today. The russians never change.)

" NKVD- Narodny Kommisariat Vnutrennikh Del. If you are Polish NKVD
means "Nie wiadomo kiedy wroce do domu. Impossible to tell when I will
return home."]"

 http://econc10.bu.edu/economic_systems/natidentity/ee/poland/KATYN.html
...

Uno Hu