Re: Much Proof - Celts Discovered America Before Vikings.

On 29 Oct 2003 13:17:18 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harold)
wrote:

>You are a strange Celt if you are one.

My mother's name is O'Connell, I also have the following surnames in
my family tree: O'Driscoll, Murphy, Brennan, O'Sullivan...

> Most Celts dont know who they
>really are, I discovered. Many think they are Saxons, like you.

I don't think that "I'm a Saxon". I probably have some Saxon ancestry
but its not the majority of my ancestry.

> Why?

You're telling the story...

>I posted many messages in this month with invaluable references,
>especially the ones on October 22. You should have known much of this,
>but clearly you dont.
>
>For example, the Phrygians (Parisians, Frisians, Briganti etc) were an
>early group which populated the area from the Alps to the Carpathians
>to the Taurus in Anatolia. From here they spread by land to adjacent
>areas. I am sure, being from down under, you will deny this (do things
>look upside down there?).

Asking stupid questions doesn't advance your argument.

> The ancient name for Romania was Wallachia.
>This name is none other than Phrygia. The two words mean the same. You
>are easily confused by "linguists", "historians" and "archaeologists"
>whose knowledge is totally useless fabrications.

You make comments that I know are wrong. Some are right but as I've
said before you make comments sometimes are miss the mark by quite
some long distance.

Prove to me that "Rutheni" means "Wheel" in Celtic.

>Nik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> On 7 Oct 2003 13:03:08 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harold)
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >> Dear Harold
>> >
>> >
>> >INTRODUCTION (CONTD).
>> >
>> >
>> >The Celts originatedin Anatolia, Turkey and not in Central Europe as
>> >earlier thought. Colin Renfrew in "Origin of Indo-European Languages".
>> >This article may also help:
>> >
>> >http://www.armenianhighland.com/homeland/chronicle120.html

Ok, here are the quotes from that page that include the letters "Celt"

"Early studies of Indo-European languages focused on those most
familiar to the original European researchers: the Italic, Celtic,
Germanic, Baltic and Slavic families. Affinities between these and the
"Aryan" languages spoken in faraway India were noticed by European
travelers as early as the 16th century. That they might all share a
common ancestor was first proposed in 1786 by Sir William Jones, an
English jurist and student of Eastern cultures."

No argument or suprises there.

"Lexical affinities of Tocharian with Italo-Celtic give evidence that
the speakers of the two language families had associated in the
Indo-European homeland before the Tocharians began their migration
eastward. "

Ok.

"The chariot provides significant evidence of cultural mixing, for
chariots figured in the funerary and other religious rites of both the
Indo-European peoples and the Mesopotamians. Contact with other
western Asiatic cultures is also evidenced in the sharing of various
mythological subjects—for example, the theft of the Hesperian apples
by Hercules and similar tales in Norse and Celtic."

What we're seeing here is evidence of a common Indo-European ancestry
rather than evidence of a common "Celtic" ancestry...as I've been
saying all along...anyway lets get back to the page and read on:

No...thats it. What were you trying to prove? You've failed.


>> >They moved from Anatolia both by land and sea (Sea Peoples who
>> >destroyed Troy)
>> >through the Balkans via the Danube then the Rhine and Volga throughout
>> >Europe. They named many countries, regions and cities.

It is not established that that was done by "Celts" in the whole sale
manner that you describe....unless I'm very much mistaken....

Granted the Danube was....I need more evidence to accept that the the
Volga was as well.

This is my point about what you're claiming, you overstep the mark of
reason and evidence. Some of what you say is right but not all of it.

>> >Danube - From Danu, water goddess.
>> 
>> True.
>> 
>> >Rhine - From Rhini for queen.
>> 
>> True.
>> 
>> >Britain - Brythoni tribe
>> 
>> True.
>> 
>> >Gaul - Celts
>> 
>> True.
>> 
>> >Deutchland - From Teuath for "people"
>> 
>> Interesting, could well be right.
>> 
>> >Russia - From Rutheni tribe which means "wheel".
>> 
>> Crap.


I definitely need proof of this claim.

>> >Helveti - "Celtic Kingdom"(Switzerland)
>> 
>> Not sure.
>> 
>> >Harvatia - "Celtic Kingdom" (Croatia)
>> 
>> I don't know about this one...
>> 
>> >Galatia - "Celtic Kingdom"!! (Turkey). The three mean the same.
>> 
>> True.
>> 
>> >Greece - Elliniki, Celtic People.
>> 
>> Doubtful
>> 
>> >London - Muddy River
>> 
>> Of course its of Celtic origin...
>> 
>> >Paris - Parisii tribe
>> 
>> True.
>> 
>> >Berlin - "producing linen"
>> 
>> Bullshit.
>> 
>> >Ankara - Anchor
>> 
>> Utter utter crap.
>> 
>> >Warsaw - Warriors on the river.
>> 
>> Doubtful.
>> 
>> Harold get a clue. Your ideas have been dissed on from a great height
>> by people who actually are Celts, who speak Celtic languages. An
>> amount of what you say is true and justified but you overstep the mark
>> by making certain claims as detailed above.

Harold get a clue. Your ideas have been dissed on from a great height
by people who actually are Celts, who speak Celtic languages. An
amount of what you say is true and justified but you overstep the mark
by making certain claims as detailed above.

Nik