Re: => Samarra massacre: US forces kill over 50 Iraqis, including civilians ...!

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Why dont you fuck off to Iraq and join your terrorist buddies there?













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> "Jay T. Beatty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > No, silly, they're throwing flowers.
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> >   Strange,  it didn't look like flowers.
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> Gee Jay, looks like you dodged the golden bb ... better luck on your
> redeployment.
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> Kill any women or children while you were there?
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>
> 41 Lies About Iraq And 43 Matches It
>
> A horrible story spread widely by the first Bush administration prior to
the
> Gulf War about Kuwaiti babies pulled from incubators by invading Iraqis
> turned out not to be true. The current Bush administration may be also
> misinforming the public in its efforts to justify a possible second war
with
> Saddam Hussein.
>
> One example of misinformation, according to physicist and former weapons
> inspector David Albright, was the Bush administration's leak to the media
in
> September about Iraq's attempt to import aluminum tubes which
administration
> officials claimed were headed for Iraq's nuclear program.
>
> "I think it was very misleading," says Albright, who directs the Institute
> for Science and International Security. Albright says the tubes could be
> possibly used for a nuclear program, but were more suited to conventional
> weapons production. Government experts thought that too, Albright tells
> Simon, but administration officials "were selectively picking information
to
> bolster a case that the Iraqi nuclear threat was more imminent than it is,
> and, in essence, scare people." --60 Minutes, 12.06.02
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> Bush Lies And Fox Swears To It
>
> "Toward the bottom of last Friday's Washington Post story on the Woodward
> book by Mike Allen, the reader learns that Bush was "preoccupied by public
> perceptions of the war, looking at polling data from Rove, now his senior
> adviser, even after pretending to have no interest." How remarkable to be
> told so bluntly about this Bush obsession -- after hearing so many
> blabbermouths on cable TV and in opinion columns insist that this
president,
> unlike his predecessor, "doesn't care about polls." The difference between
> Clinton and Bush isn't that one doesn't care about polls and the other
did.
> The difference is that Clinton never pretended that polling data wasn't
part
> of his political work, and didn't expect anyone on his staff to lie about
> such trivia. [And didn't lie about it on the campaign trail, as Bush
> did. --Politex] (This matrix of deception is likewise exposed in
Woodward's
> scoop about the back-channel advice on public opinion provided to the
White
> House by Fox News chief Roger Ailes. An old Bush family employee, Ailes
runs
> a network that frequently promotes the false but uplifting notion that
Bush
> has no interest in polls.)" --Joe Conason, 11.18.02
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> Bush's Trifecta Of Lies
>
> President Bush, speaking to the nation this month about the need to
> challenge Saddam Hussein, warned that Iraq has a growing fleet of unmanned
> aircraft that could be used "for missions targeting the United States."
>
> Last month, asked if there were new and conclusive evidence of Hussein's
> nuclear weapons capabilities, Bush cited a report by the International
> Atomic Energy Agency saying the Iraqis were "six months away from
developing
> a weapon." And last week, the president said objections by a labor union
to
> having customs officials wear radiation detectors has the potential to
delay
> the policy "for a long period of time."
>
> All three assertions were powerful arguments for the actions Bush sought.
> And all three statements were dubious, if not wrong. Further information
> revealed that the aircraft lack the range to reach the United States;
there
> was no such report by the IAEA; and the customs dispute over the detectors
> was resolved long ago. --10.22.02, Washington Post
>
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> Jeb Bush Is A Liar, Too
> Jeb Bush's "office also released hundreds of letters and e-mails to and
from
> Bush that also highlight the division over the nomination....New DCF
> Secretary Jerry Regier once wrote a string of articles that provide a
> blueprint for turning religious values into public policy, suggest that
> households headed by women may produce homosexual children and complain
that
> taxpayer-supported day-care centers could put religious day care out of
> business....A spokesman said the office received 2,999 e-mails, with about
> two-thirds in favor of Regier.
>
> "The e-mails also show Regier and the governor were discussing his salary
> and his appointment even before Kearney was fired, something the governor
> has flatly denied." --South Florida Sun-Sentinal, Sept. 7, 2002
>
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> "You Don't Introduce New Products In August"
> An agitated Vice President Cheney, in a tête-à-tête with NBC's Tim Russert
> on Sunday, said it was "reprehensible" that people would think the
> administration had "saved" its ammunition on Iraq to bring it out now, 60
> days before an election. "So the suggestion that somehow, you know, we
> husbanded this and we waited is just not true," Cheney said. Now where
would
> people get such a cockamamie idea? Well, maybe from White House Chief of
> Staff Andrew H. Card Jr. and Bush political adviser Karl Rove, who made
the
> case to the New York Times's Elisabeth Bumiller last week that they pretty
> much did what Cheney said they didn't do -- waited patiently and
> deliberately to launch a long-planned rollout. "From a marketing point of
> view, you don't introduce new products in August," Card said. Added Rove:
> "The thought was that in August the president is sort of on
vacation." --WP,
> Sept. 10, 2002
>
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> Scowcroft Says Bush Incubator Untruth, Repeated Five Times, "Was Useful In
> Mobilizing Public Opinion" For First Iraq War
> In the fall of 1990, members of Congress and the American public were
swayed
> by the tearful testimony of a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, known only as
> Nayirah.
>
> In the girl's testimony before a congressional caucus, well-documented in
> MacArthur's book "Second Front" and elsewhere, she described how, as a
> volunteer in a Kuwait maternity ward, she had seen Iraqi troops storm her
> hospital, steal the incubators, and leave 312 babies "on the cold floor to
> die."
>
> Seven US Senators later referred to the story during debate; the motion
for
> war passed by just five votes. In the weeks after Nayirah spoke, President
> Bush senior invoked the incident five times, saying that such "ghastly
> atrocities" were like "Hitler revisited."
>
> But just weeks before the US bombing campaign began in January, a few
press
> reports began to raise questions about the validity of the incubator tale.
>
> Later, it was learned that Nayirah was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti
> ambassador to Washington and had no connection to the Kuwait hospital.
>
> She had been coached - along with the handful of others who would
> "corroborate" the story - by senior executives of Hill and Knowlton in
> Washington, the biggest global PR firm at the time, which had a contract
> worth more than $10 million with the Kuwaitis to make the case for war.
>
> "We didn't know it wasn't true at the time," Brent Scowcroft, Bush's
> national security adviser, said of the incubator story in a 1995 interview
> with the London-based Guardian newspaper. He acknowledged "it was useful
in
> mobilizing public opinion." --CSM, Sept. 6, 2002
>
>
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> Cheney Lied About Iraq Photos
> - When George H. W. Bush ordered American forces to the Persian Gulf - to
> reverse Iraq's August 1990 invasion of Kuwait - part of the administration
> case was that an Iraqi juggernaut was also threatening to roll into Saudi
> Arabia.
>
> Citing top-secret satellite images, Pentagon officials estimated in
> mid-September that up to 250,000 Iraqi troops and 1,500 tanks stood on the
> border, threatening the key US oil supplier.
>
> But when the St. Petersburg Times in Florida acquired two commercial
Soviet
> satellite images of the same area, taken at the same time, no Iraqi troops
> were visible near the Saudi border - just empty desert.
>
> "It was a pretty serious fib," says Jean Heller, the Times journalist who
> broke the story.
>
> The White House is now making its case. to Congress and the public for
> another invasion of Iraq; President George W. Bush is expected to present
> specific evidence of the threat posed by Iraq during a speech to the
United
> Nations next week.
>
> But past cases of bad intelligence or outright disinformation used to
> justify war are making experts wary. The questions they are raising, some
> based on examples from the 1991 Persian Gulf War, highlight the importance
> of accurate information when a democracy considers military action....
>
> That [Iraqi buildup] was the whole justification for Bush sending troops
in
> there, and it just didn't exist," says Heller. Three times Heller
contacted
> the office of Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney (now vice president) for
> evidence refuting the Times photos or analysis - offering to hold the
story
> if proven wrong. The official response: "Trust us." To this day, the
> Pentagon's photographs of the Iraqi troop buildup remain classified....
>
> "My concern in these situations, always, is that the intelligence that you
> get is driven by the policy, rather than the policy being driven by the
> intelligence," says former US Rep. Lee Hamilton (D) of Indiana, a 34-year
> veteran lawmaker until 1999, who served on numerous foreign affairs and
> intelligence committees, and is now director of the Woodrow Wilson
> International Center for Scholars in Washington. The Bush team
"understands
> it has not yet carried the burden of persuasion [about an imminent Iraqi
> threat], so they will look for any kind of evidence to support their
> premise," Mr. Hamilton says. "I think we have to be skeptical about
> it." --CSM, Sept. 6, 2002
>
>
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> How a Bush appointee Manipulated Farm Subsidies.
> "Responding to a series of corporate scandals last month, President Bush
> castigated businessmen who practice moral "relativism" and "cut ethical
> corners." "Our leaders of business must set high and clear expectations of
> conduct," he said. But this month, Bush appointed to a top post in his
> Agriculture Department a confessed corner-cutter: a businessman who has
> admitted to pushing the limits of the law to boost his farm subsidies.
Bush
> used his power of recess appointment to make Tom Dorr undersecretary of
> agriculture for rural development on Aug. 6, while Congress was out of
town.
> He made the appointment in this unorthodox way because the Senate
> Agriculture Committee, with nine of 10 Republicans choosing not to vote,
had
> already declined to approve Dorr's nomination....Bush's hypocrisy about
high
> ethical standards is only half the story. The other half is his
> administration's hypocrisy about farm subsidies." --SLATE, Sept. 2, 2002
>
>
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> Last week, {Bush's} Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill stood before a
packed
> audience at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to address the continuing
scandals
> of corporate irresponsibility, banking on his own history as chief
executive
> of Alcoa Inc.
> "When I was at Alcoa I never sold a single share of Alcoa stock," he said,
> repeating a claim he had made on CBS's "Early Show" the day before. "I
> wanted my financial success and the company's success inextricably linked.
> Other executives should do the same."
>
> But O'Neill did sell Alcoa stock, 662,547 shares in April 1999 worth
nearly
> $30 million, when he was the company's chairman and chief executive....
>
> "He didn't sell a share. He sold a lot of shares," said Marc Steinberg, a
> law professor at Southern Methodist University and a former SEC
enforcement
> lawyer. --Washington Post, July 18, 2002.
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> Bush Lied About Harken Stock Sale Knowledge
>
> Asked later if his [Harken] stock sale had been related to the company's
> impending setback, {Board member] Bush replied, "I absolutely had no idea
> and would not have sold it had I known."
>
> In fact, SEC records show that Harken's president had warned board members
> two months before Bush's sell-off that the company had liquidity problems
> that would "drastically affect" operations. --SF Chronicle, 07.05.02
>
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> BUSH TRIFECTA QUOTE CAVEATS FOUND...
>
> "'Barring an economic reversal, a national emergency, or a foreign crisis,
> we should balance the budget this year, next year, and every year.' [the
> presidential candidate] said that to the Economic Club of Detroit in May
> 1998, then repeated it at least twice more, in speeches in June and
November
> of that year."
>
> BUT BUSH LIED ABOUT WHO SAID THEM
>
> "In this space last week, it was noted that President Bush often tells
> audiences that he promised during the 2000 presidential campaign that he
> would allow the federal budget to go into deficit in times of war,
recession
> or national emergency, but he never imagined he would "have a trifecta."
> Nobody inside or outside the White House, however, had been able to
produce
> evidence that Bush actually said this during the campaign.... Now comes
> information that the three caveats were uttered before the 2000
campaign --
> by Bush's Democratic opponent, Vice President Al Gore." --Wash. Post,
7/2/02
>
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> BUSH'S TRIFECTA OF LIES: "It takes a brazen politician to make up a story
> that can be proven false and then to keep lying about it after being
busted
> repeatedly. A case in point is President Bush's repetition last week of a
> story about a fictitious Chicago campaign statement, just days after his
> budget director was called on it by "Meet the Press" host Tim
> Russert....Bush's claim that he listed three exceptions under which he
would
> run deficits during a 2000 Chicago campaign stop -- war, national
emergency
> or recession -- is blatantly false" --Brendan Nyhan, 06.18.02
>
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> Washington Post Buys Into Bush Ohio State Lies
>
> COLUMBUS, Ohio, June 14...The president who spoke here today was not the
> same president who spoke in New Haven a year ago. Bush aide John
Bridgeland
> told reporters this morning [Friday] that the president's speech, serious
> and grave, was inspired by the writings of Alexis de Tocqueville, Adam
> Smith, George Eliot, Emily Dickinson, William Wordsworth, Pope John Paul
II,
> Aristotle, Benjamin Rush, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Abraham
> Lincoln and Cicero -- although the president mentioned none of them by
name.
> The former C student, Bridgeland said, "actually discussed Nicomachean
> ethics" in the Oval Office, not to mention the Patrick Henry-James Madison
> debate. --Dana Milbank, Wash. Post
>
>
> ***
> COLUMBUS, Ohio...A senior administration official told reporters [Friday]
> that Bush "derived" his speech in part from the teachings of a wide range
of
> philosophers, from Aristotle and Adam Smith to de Tocqueville and Pope
John
> Paul II.
>
> Asked if Bush had ever read any of their works, the official said: "We've
> fully discussed all these ... issues." --Adam Entous, Reuters, 06.14.02
>
>
> ***
> Politex: Bush Discusses Nicomachean Ethics In The Oval Office
>
> Bush: I don't care if our budget deficit will be $100 billion this year, I
> promised my millionaire buddies big tax cuts, and they're gonna get 'em.
>
> Bridgeland: Money can't buy happiness, sir.
>
> Bush: Ya got that right!
>
> "Having determined that happiness is the goal of life, Aristotle then
> concerns himself with the activities in which humans engage in order to
> obtain happiness." --from a summary of "Nicomachean Ethics"
>
>
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> White House Admits Bush Lied "When Bush was asked about [the Environmental
> Protection Agency's report] last week, he dismissively remarked: 'I read
the
> report put out by the bureaucracy.' ...White House press secretary Ari
> Fleischer fessed up: President Bush didn't actually read that 268-page
> Environmental Protection Agency report on climate change, even if he said
he
> did. Fleischer was asked Monday at his daily White House briefing about
> Bush's comments that he'd read the report. "Whenever presidents say they
> read it, you can read that to be he was briefed," Fleischer said,
producing
> laughter. --AP, June 10, 2002
>
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> Ari Fleischer Lies For Bush
>
> Like any skilled craftsman, Fleischer has a variety of techniques at his
> disposal. The first is the one he used to such great effect at Ways and
> Means: He cuts off the question with a blunt, factual assertion. Sometimes
> the assertion is an outright lie; sometimes it's on the edge. But in
either
> case the intent is to deceive--to define a legitimate question as based on
> false premises and, therefore, illegitimate. Fleischer does this so well,
in
> part because of his breathtaking audacity: Rather than tell a little
> fib--i.e., attacking the facts most open to interpretation in a reporter's
> query--he often tells a big one, challenging the question in a way the
> reporter could not possibly anticipate. Then there's his delivery:
Fleischer
> radiates boundless certainty, recounting even his wildest fibs in the
> matter-of-fact, slightly patronizing tone you would use to explain, say,
the
> changing of the seasons to a child. He neither under-emotes (which would
> appear robotic) nor overemotes (which would appear defensive) but seems at
> all times so natural that one wonders if somehow he has convinced himself
of
> his own untruths.
>
> One month ago, for example, a reporter cited the administration's recent
> plan to build an education, health, and welfare infrastructure in
> Afghanistan and asked Fleischer when George W. Bush--who during the
campaign
> repeatedly bad-mouthed nation-building--had come around to the idea. A
> lesser flack would have given the obvious, spun response: The Bush
> administration's policies in Afghanistan don't constitute nation-building
> for reasons X, Y, and Z. The reporter might have expected that reply and
> prepared a follow-up accordingly. But Fleischer went the other way,
bluntly
> asserting that Bush had never derided nation-building to begin with. "The
> president has always been for those," Fleischer said. The questioner,
likely
> caught off guard, repeated, "He's always been for..." when Fleischer
> interjected, "Do you have any evidence to the contrary?" In fact, Bush had
> denounced nation-building just as unambiguously as Archer had endorsed the
> national sales tax. "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's
> called nation-building," said candidate Bush in the second presidential
> debate, to take one of many examples. The offending reporter, of course,
> didn't have any of these quotes handy at the press conference, and so
> Fleischer managed to extinguish the nation-building queries.
>
> To take another example, after the coup in Venezuela last month, Fleischer
> announced that "it happened in a very quick fashion as a result of the
> message of the Venezuelan people." But once the coup was reversed, the
> administration's seeming support proved embarrassing. So at the next press
> conference, a reporter asked Fleischer, "Last Friday, you said that
it--the
> seizure of power illegitimately in Venezuela--`happened in a very quick
> fashion as a result of the message of the Venezuelan people'; that the
> seizure of power, extraconstitutionally, that is, dissolution of the
> congress and the supreme court happened as a result of the message of the
> Venezuelan people."
>
> Fleischer could have acknowledged the underlying fact--that the Bush
> administration initially endorsed the coup--but then expressed regret at
its
> anti-democratic turn, a turn that the United States presumably opposed and
> perhaps even tried to prevent. Instead, he replied, "No, that's not what I
> said." And indeed, it wasn't exactly what he said--after quoting Fleischer
> verbatim reacting to the coup, the reporter went on to describe some of
the
> things that happened after the coup. And that gave Fleischer his opening:
> "The dissolution that you just referred to did not take place until later
> Friday afternoon," he noted. "It could not possibly be addressed in my
> briefing because it hadn't taken place yet." By focusing on the latter,
> subordinate part of the reporter's question, Fleischer negated the
verbatim
> quote of his earlier remarks--and thus neatly cut off discussion of the
> administration's early reaction to news of the coup.
>
> The problem with this tactic is that it's always possible to get caught in
> an outright lie. Speaking to reporters on the morning of February 28, for
> instance, Fleischer said of Middle East peace negotiations under Clinton:
> "As a result of an attempt to push the parties beyond where they were
> willing to go, that led to expectations that were raised to such a high
> level that it turned to violence." The story went out that the
> administration blamed Middle East violence on its predecessor's
peacemaking.
> That afternoon, Fleischer insisted he had said no such thing. "That's a
> mischaracterization of what I said," he protested. But Fleischer's earlier
> statement was too fresh in the press corps's mind to simply deny, and the
> press continued to hound him. Later in the day he was forced to issue a
> statement of regret.
>
> What this episode illustrates is that stating unambiguous falsehoods
carries
> certain risks--and no press secretary can afford to have his factual
> accuracy repeatedly challenged by the press. So while Fleischer may employ
> this tactic more frequently than most press secretaries, it is still
> relatively rare--the p.r. equivalent of a trick play in football: While
> spectacular to behold and often successful, more frequent usage would
dilute
> its effectiveness and risk disaster.
>
> The greater feat is to put yourself in a position where you don't have to
> lie. This can be accomplished in lots of ways--spinning is the preferred
> approach for most flacks, but that isn't Fleischer's style; candor,
> obviously, is out of the question. Fleischer's method of choice is
> question-avoidance. After all, you can't be accused of answering a
question
> untruthfully if you haven't answered it at all. --Jonathan Chait. 06.04.02
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