Re: Are Islam and Democracy Incompatible?

"Stand-Up Kid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Wow... what a long reply... but it just all TRASH... nothing sum up to any
> point, because we are talking about Islam, not what the follower did. That
> two different things... what you are talking here I have heard
> countless.......even more convincing, but always fail to prove that in
> Islamic Law exist terrorism teaching...
> you shouldn't talk about religion here... but politics...
> 
> Thanks for such massive reply dude!!

Don't mention it (oooooops... too late). But I see that, as
I thought you would: you indeed did not curse, denounce, or
spit upon the evil in the Koran... instead choosing to go on 
ignoring it, defending it, and trying to deflect our attention 
from it.  You, sir, are too predictable (a typical stagnantian).
Good luck in the Dark Ages!

SDR 
 
> "SDR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > "Stand-Up Kid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >> No! PLEASE re-READ MY REPLY TO YOUR POST (which is included below):
> > >> In sum, I said: No matter what evil either religion may say... that
> > >> evil is repudiated in the Judeo-Christian civilization. If does not
> > >> matter to me whether there are Christian/Jewish terrorists (any
> > >> more than whether there are "Muslim terrorists")... the difference
> > >> is that Jews and Christians do not teach the principles and hatred
> > >> of non-Jews/non-Christians while Muslims DO teach hatred and
> > >> distrust of non-Muslims (in the course of their general education).
> > >
> > > Al-Qur'an teach hatred??
> >
> > Surprise! (Perhaps you do not know what "hatred" means, you
> > poor ignorant fellow, which ignorance would not be surprising
> > if you are Muslim: No, hatred is NOT merely that "if somebody
> > tries to kill you--you hate him." It is, as Islam practices it:
> > When somebody wants to stop practicing the vicious and pointless
> > superstition of Islam and just live his life in peace (as should
> > be the right of every Goddamn human being alive) YOU MUST HATE
> > HIM with enough viciousness TO KILL HIM... pointlessly, I might
> > add, because THERE IS NO GOD just like there is no ghost, ghoul,
> > vampire, fairy, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, and "justice in the
> > world" (even more to the point because hatred only begets hatred,
> > and it is only love that begets love): Hussein and bin Laden
> > have done more to open the eyes of the blindly tolerant world
> > to the real danger that is Islam (in particular, & all
> > superstitions in general) than could all the many-words/ed
> > terrorist warnings ever issued by people who like to fight
> > cockroaches one cockroach at a time.)
> >
> > > You must be kidding, Al-Qur'an teach Muslim
> > > only to fight back if others attack first,
> >
> > Yes, isn't that sweet! I wonder how many countries in this war-
> > ridden planet of ours style their militaries & armies: "The
> > Conquest and Invasion Department" ...? Last time I checked
> > they ALL call theirs: "Department of Defense" (or some such).
> >
> > But I am glad you concede that Islam is less a religion than
> > a military organization: Religions, such as Christianity or
> > Buddhism for example, unlike militaries, teach to "turn the
> > other cheek" EVEN when attacked, and teach to "love thy
> > enemy" BECAUSE unlike temporal militaries whose job is
> > to "kill and conquer," religions have this un-Islamic notion
> > that ALL human beings are the "children of God" (not just
> > the people wearing your uniform)... silly of them, eh dear
> > Muslim?... therefore true religions have a tendency to teach
> > tolerance and forgiveness, love and understanding of all
> > human beings, not simply among your given army's fellow
> > soldiers... as does Islam when it teaches that its highest
> > purpose is to make men Submit! (or, "Islam!") by any and
> > all means... and that traitors and deserters from Islam are
> > to be instantly executed. I believe most armies do that too,
> > execute traitors and deserters.) Islam was crafted by
> > Mohammed as a most effective mind-control to conquer the
> > barbarous Arab tribes, and it has remained THAT effective
> > to this day: I cannot predict whether Islam will or will not
> > conquer the world (it just might because being eternally at
> > war with the world of man Islam will either conquer or be
> > conquered and the fortunes of war are always fickle). But
> > I can predict that if/when it does... the world will look
> > very much like today's Islamic "slum world" everywhere...
> > out of which all the rats with any hope left of a better
> > life are desperately trying to jump ship for the West
> > every way they can (without knowing the terrible "Islamic
> > infection" they themselves are unwittingly spreading
> > everywhere they go because they do not understand the
> > damage of the superstition they carry with them). If that's
> > what you want, then fight for Islam. I know cretins will now
> > insist I am claiming Muslims are filthy sub-human animals
> > (or some such) spreading disease (but, frankly, at my age
> > I don't really care what people think of me): What I am
> > saying is that all people are the same stupid dumb beasts,
> > and that it's their philosophy, Horatio, and not anything
> > else about them that's the evil in them but what they think:
> > There are probably as many noble Muslims as there are
> > (undoubtedly) noble Christians (and just as there were many
> > noble Germans back during WWII): It's Nazism and Islam
> > that's rotten, not the populations they happen to enslave.
> >
> > But the hope of the world is NOT to counter the superstition
> > of Islam with some other "more benign" superstition! Rather,
> > it is to increase the spread of knowledge and to vanquishing
> > as much of ignorance as we can: And, even as pessimistic
> > a person as I am... I yet hold great hopes myself that before
> > "the end of man" (which is far, far sooner than you think it
> > is): Knowledge, say I, may yet make great strides over our
> > human superstition.
> >
> > But if not, the beauty of Islam's conquest of civilization is
> > that when Europe becomes a Muslim slum it will be forbidden
> > to ever against mention the glories of Western Civilization
> > ever even existed. (How many Muslims know the of glories of
> > Byzantium and of the Christian world they destroyed in the
> > Middle East? Not to mention the countless ancient civilizations
> > they destroyed in Persia, India, and from the crescent valley
> > to Africa?). And then shall we all again marvel how it was God
> > created the world a mere 4000 years ago of so, praise be to
> > God. And, Darwin? He was a demon sent by Satan, no question
> > there: Phew, we spit on him! We shall chop off the heads of
> > anyone who even dares to mention his name again. And what
> > of Beethoven, Mozart?... "Satan's drugs" to make us good
> > mindless slaves forget God. And Michelangelo, Velazques, and
> > da Vinci?... vile idol-makers whose decadent and corrupting
> > works should be burned and destroyed forever! since we should
> > all live like the Prophet (who never knew so much as a bicycle,
> > so bicycles too shall all be unmade & destroyed). Only guns
> > and/or other such "sophisticated weapons" are acceptable
> > because the highest purpose of Islam (or, "the dictatorship
> > of the proletariat" ... errr, I mean: "the dictatorship of
> > the faithful and submissive") is to enforce its principles,
> > and what better way to enforce anything than with weapons?
> > And, remember, dear children: Lies and betrayals are also
> > very useful weapons, says the Koran. It shall all be very
> > comforting then (absolute certainty always is); and then
> > shall we live in a slum created by a "loving and just God"
> > specifically for us, with all the nicely accompanying leprosies
> > to mark sinful people from the rest of us (unless we sin, of
> > course). Who could ask for anything more?
> >
> > > and while fighting no turning
> > > back!! as Islam is a brave religion and do
> > > not afraid to encounter any
> > > enemies
> >
> > You are wrong: It is not "Islam not afraid to encounter any
> > enemies" ... Islam always LOOKS for enemies (Islam preaches
> > that ALL non-Muslims are its enemies, either to be conquered
> > or killed). Islam teaches there are two exceptions: Jews and
> > Christians (which is why Hindus are slaughtered like pigs
> > and Islamic apologists boast that Jews and Christians were
> > permitted to "continue living" where Islam conquered); but
> > if Jews and Christians wished to be "spared" they MUST pay
> > a special tax to acknowledge that Islam is superior to their
> > "contemptible superstitions" and must wear special clothes,
> > and not practice "their superstitions" in public, and not
> > testify in court against Muslims (so that any Muslim can
> > commit any crime he chooses to with utter/complete impunity
> > against all Jews and Christians)... and, well, I don't have
> > to tell you all the ways Islam has of telling Jews/Christians
> > they're not "fully" human beings: If you're a pious Muslim
> > you know them. [But why is it that the least trespass against
> > any Mosque brings about such moral outrage to all high-moral
> > Muslims... when the greatest Churches in Christendom are now
> > Mosques? Are we perhaps about to see Muslims give back
> > Byzantium's Church of Wisdom to Christianity... because
> > Muslims "now" are such high moral people maybe... and so
> > morally outraged "now" by the violation of sacred sites?)
> > Hold not thy breath: So, why Israel does not make the al-Aqsa
> > Mosque their Third Temple... I will never understand
> > --especially since it is historically the common practice
> > of Muslims themselves to desecrate people's holy sites...
> > which practice it was that triggered Europe's historical
> > Crusades as certainly as it is the Palestinians who are
> > the ones building Israel's defensive wall today... which
> > "fence" or "wall," since it is only the Palestinians who
> > can stop it, nothing can stop from completion.] Try to pray
> > to "your" God in Saudi Arabia, if you are Christian or Jew,
> > and see what respect for other people's faith means to Muslims.
> > And so "respect" for Islam by non-Muslims has always amused
> > and perplexed me, frankly.
> >
> > > (perhaps this is translated by anti-Islam as aggresion) let me
> > > recite the surahs from Noble Qur'an:
> >
> > Again with the surahs!? Listen, my little raisin-brained Muslim
> > fellow--Read my lips: "It's not what is written but what is
> > practiced that matters." Nobody cares or should care what's
> > in a man's heart... men should be judged by their actions.
> > And Islam is made vile by the vile actions of Muslims now
> > as in the past, not by whom it was told us about them. ALL
> > of these ancient religious writings, whatever their source,
> > are the cretinous sproutings of horrifically ignorant brutes
> > a couple of hairs removed from raving, bloodthirsty apes:
> > Get it in your head: THERE IS NO GOD, THERE NEVER WAS
> > ANY GOD, AND THERE COULD NEVER EVER HAVE BEEN A GOD because
> > ours is a world in which no uncaused effect can exist... and
> > that right there rules out all miracles (or we live in a
> > hopelessly crazy Wonderland too insane for even Alice to find
> > her way through). The real wonder of all this is what you, as
> > any kind of Muslim, are doing bathing in the freedoms of the
> > Internet... where you cannot be easily protected from ideas
> > which may liberate you from the mindless obedience to Allah
> > Islam demands of all Muslims!?!?! I should really report you
> > to your imam for immediate beheading. And I just might.
> >
> > > [2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD
> > > against those who attack you,
> > > but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.
> >
> > If only GOD taught this to Muslims it would be such a dreamy
> > world, instead of the nightmare Muslims have unleashed against
> > the world... because men being what they are: we always pick
> > the sayings which support our evil intentions (from the available
> > sayings, even if most of them are "saying we should be good"):
> > This is the reason we should use our human judgment rather than
> > close our eyes to logic and dumbly follow the dictums of a dark
> > past... when people did not have as many "points of light" as
> > we ourselves now have to discover the path to be followed. The
> > greatness of the great men of science if that their ideas are
> > still relevant in our lives, not that we are relevant in their
> > ideas. The key to human progress is abandoning the ideas that no
> > longer work: That's also the explanation to Islamic stagnation
> > and why ALL Islamic peoples are being "left behind" the West.
> >
> > If you really wish to be helpful: Curse, denounce, spit upon
> > the evil in the Koran... instead of ignoring it, defending it,
> > trying to deflect our attention from it. I was born a Christian
> > and even attended Catholic indoctrination (at the Marists's)
> > and yet I denounce, curse, & spit on any and all evil in the
> > Christian Bible in general and in Catholic dogma in particular.
> > But that's just because I may be a far nobler, honorable, and
> > righteous "sweetheart of a guy" than you. Or maybe it's just
> > that I am simply not enslaved by Islam... and free to think
> > (small things like that can make a really big difference).
> >
> > S D Rodrian
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