Re: Attention, parents of CMU students!

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> > > > > > > > > > > Hey barb.  People might take you a little more seriously
>  if
> > >  you
> > >  could
> > > > > > > > > > > spell.  Get a dictionary.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > English is my 2nd language.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hmmm...that puts logic and the understanding of reality even
>  lower
> > > > >  than
> > > > >  I
> > > > > > > > > thought.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you are as fluent like me in a 2nd
> > > > > > > > > > language, you have a right to critic.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Can I also criticize? And, how do you know that I am not
>  fluent
>  in
> > > > >  more
> > > > >  than
> > > > > > > > > one language? Hmmm??? Using that magical $ceinoBall?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > However, it is always the people
> > > > > > > > > > that don't speak a 2nd language fluently that attack
>  others on
>  true
> > > > > > > > > > and even imaginary imperfections of that 2nd language.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There are those who use the spelling flame. However, it is
>  as
> > > > >  specious
> > > > >  as
> > > > > > > > > many of the things you post. I equatge its use with that of
>  a
> > > > >  violation
> > > > >  of
> > > > > > > > > Godwin's law.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I doubt that you understand the dangers, the criminality and
>  the
> > > > > > > > inhumanity of "deprogramming", Mr. Probert,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do understand the horrors of brainwashing, which
>  "deprogramming"
>  un-does,
> > > > > > > and am actively involved in cult prevention wrt to the so-called
>  messianic
> > > > > > > jews. I have read the cults manuals, and have seen just how they
>  try
>  to
> > > > > > > steal minds.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, I run into a active Nazi who is going after the Jews
> > > > >
> > > > > I am NOT going after anyone. I work in an *early intervention*
>  program
>  where
> > > > > the targets of a group called "Jews for Jesus" (broadly covered
>  under
>  the
> > > > > term "Messianic Jews")are invited into my home, made just like a
>  member
>  of
> > > > > the family, and are otherwise shown that they can made their own
>  choices.
> > > > > You see, I have read the 'conversion' a/k/a brainwashing manual for
>  this
> > > > > group.
> > > >
> > > > What is your problem with people picking their religion?
> > >
> > > Being brainwashed (an expereince you never have to worry about) to
>  change
> > > faiths is not "picking" a religion. It is the antithesis of free choice.
>  Why
> > > do you oppose free choice?
> >
> > I think your are a very sick man, Saurus. People like you are the
> > basic problem on earth. They can't leave others alone and in order to
> > justify their persecution, they claim that people are brainwashed.
> 
> I never claimed you could ber brainwashed (nothing to wash).

Lol. As for your dirty mind, Mr. Probert, you probably should wash it
once in a while!

> 
> You
> > should read what brainwashing really is about. Listening to others
> > talk about religion and making the deicison that you want that
> > religion for yourself is NOT brainwashing!
> 
> But, that is not what the $cienos, or other cults, do. However, you would
> not remember that.

Huh? Are you saying I have Alzheimer's or what?
 
> 
> > > What is your
> > > > problem with religion at all, Saurus? They made their decision you
> > > > just can't stand it that they did not take *your* decision. And what a
> > > > fool would come to your home knowing that you are pro-"deprogramming"?
> > >
> > > I do not accept fools into my home.
> >
> > Only fools will come to you. Nobody right in mind would subject
> > himself to your "deprogrammings".
> 
> My 'deprogramming' consists of dinner, attendance at services which the
> young adults have chosen to attend, and inclusion in many of my family
> activities. They get to meet people from the community, and develop
> freindships and more serious relationships.

I would not want to eat anything what you serve. Who knows what you
mix in the food! So, you play the nice uncle to try to make them what
they want? You would not be able to fool me, Mister.

> 
> On 11/22 a couple that met through our program will be getting married and
> my family is invited. It will be a traditional Jewsih wedding.
 
> >  I do invite young adults at local
> > > universities to my home to spend time in a Jewish home while they are
>  away
> > > from theirs.
> >
> > You are a German Nazi agent under cover. You try to whitewash the
> > Germans whenever the speech is on them. You don't even want the world
> > reminded on what the Nazis did and so.
> 
> BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I wish you could have been at the US Supreme Court
> building when we visited it in 1997. Whizzer Whites collection of WWII
> memorabilia was on display. A young German visitor was annoyed that we
> American were still pushing rememberance of the Nazi's, and asked his friend
> how long they had to be reminded. 

You are a liar. You don't even want the Nazis remembered or referred
to in the newsgroups by invoking Godwin's "law".
 
I suggested that 1000 years would be
> around the right time.Do you know the significance of that number?
> 
> Additionally, I work as an interviewer for a visual history project to
> record the victims memories of Shoah.
> 
> I want them to remember forever.

Yeah, but not what they did after the Third Reich. That is what you
try to cover up with all means.

> 
> > As soon as that comes up, you
> > "invoke" the Goodwin's "law". You are in your heart a Nazi and no Jew.
> > No real Jew would want to be connected with you.
> 
> Funny. You would not know a real Jew if you saw one. You probably think
> (best available term) that Jews 4 Jesus are Jewish.
> 
> >  I introduce them to our Jewish community, and make them feel
> > > welcome.
> >
> > By telling them that they have no right to make their own decisions?
> 
> Nope. Not at all.
> 
> > By telling them that they can only choose the religion that you want
> > them to have? How attractive!
> 
> You are imagining things.
> 
> > >  They develop local friends and contacts. When this happens, they
> > > are rendered immune from the brainwashing techniques of the so-called
> > > messianic Jewish cults. as they are no longer isolated.
> >
> > What is your religion anyway, Saurus?
> 
> I am a Jew for Moses. (Aside, what a short memory you have!)

If it is true, it does not give you any permission to go after other
religions. But if it is true, any religion has their bad apples,
right? I don't think that you are religious in nature. You are just
saying so.
 
> 
> > If people in religious
> > communities are isolated than rather because intolerant people as you
> > are spread lies about them and declare them incapacitated on making
> > their own decisions.
> >
> > >
> > > > > These swine use brainwashing techniques similar to those used by the
>  North
> > > > > Koreans during the Korean War to subvert a persons faith. They rob
>  their
> > > > > victims of free will.
> >
> > Where is your evidence hereto?
> 
> Look at your own postings. 'nuf said.
> 
> > > > I don't know much about that particular religious group, but as you
> > > > lied also about Scientology brainwashing people, I have to conclude
> > > > that the group that you want to strip of their belief, is not
> > > > brainwashed either.
> > >
> > > OOPS! I did not lie about the Kriminal Kult of $cientology brainwashing
> > > people.
> >
> > Sure you lied about Scientology. I was in SCN for many years. They
> > never brainwashed me.
> 
> Well...that sdays it all. Nothing to wash.
> 
> > I also never noticed them brainwashing others.
> 
> You do have a problem with reality.

No really religious person would lie as you do, Probert.
> 
> > Once again, you don't even know what brainwashing is. Moreover,
> > scientists say that the word is completely abused. I agree.
> 
> I agree, too. Some people cannot be brainwashed. Like you, for obvious
> reasons.
> 
> >
> > >
> > > > > Now, you must understand that 'Jews for Jesus' and all other sduch
>  messianic
> > > > > groups, is NOT Jewish. They reject the basis tenets of Judaism. In
>  essence,
> > > > > they are similar to a group called "Vegetarians for McDonalds". A
>  pure
> > > > > oxymoron.
> > > >
> > > > Alright, so I still don't understand what the "big crime" is. They
> > > > should be allowed to believe whatever they like. What kind of religion
> > > > do you think is the only good one? What kind of belief do you want to
> > > > give the people after your took theirs?
> > >
> > > I took none of theirs, your lack of reading comprehension
>  notwithstanding.
> > > As for what religion is the best one, the answer is simple.
> > >
> > > One which is freely chosen, unlike cults such as the J4J's and
> $cientology.
> 
> > I lack reading skills?
> 
> Absolutely. No question.
> 
> You did not grasp anything that I wrote to
> > Hallahami and posted earlier in this thread. Nothing, despite that you
> > as alleged Jew (lol) should be esp. interested in what the Germans
> > were up to and are still up to.
> 
> I always am. However, paranoid ravings are of no interest.

You are glib and unscientific, Mr. Probert. 
> 
> > People like you just LIE that others did not choose their religion on
> > their own to justify their presecution plans. It does not need a
> > rocket scientist to look through you, Saurus.
> 
> I had dinner with a rocket scientist the other day, and he did not see
> through me.

Whoever comes to your house has the mind of a 4th Grader, we know that
already, Sausrus.
> 
> > > > > but who is
> > > > > > invoking the Godwin "law", if he is accused of what he is doing to
>  the
> > > > > > Jews. How interesting and how typical. So, why can't you leave
>  them
> > > > > > alone, M. Probert?
> > > > >
> > > > > Because stealing a person's free will is disgusting to me. That is
>  what
> > > > > disgusts me about the Kriminal Kult of $cientology.
> > > >
> > > > But you are trying to do that with the Messanic Jews.
> > >
> > > Wrong sweetums. You have it sdrawkcab. It is they who are stealing the
>  free
> > > will. They use brainwashing techniques to recruit as does the KK$.
> >
> > What is the KK$, the KKK?
> 
> The KK$ is the *K*riminal *K*ult of *$*ceintology.

Lol! What a stupid short form!

> 
> What are the techniques exactly? Are they
> > locked up in a room as in the deprogramming that you promote?
> 
> Brainwashing is more sublte.

Deprogramming is actually de-personalization. It is the worst! 
> 
> Is
> > somebody hurting them and degrading them as in deprogramming? Is
> > somebody assaulting them as in deprogramming? Is somebody telling them
> > that their religion sucks and that they have no right to go anywhere
> > till they have not given up their religion as in deprogramming?
> 
> See above.
> 
> > And as you promote the dangerous and criminal deprogramming, Saurus,
> > you have no right to tell others that what they do is not okay,
> > because nothing is worse in that field as that what the deprogrammers
> > do, to people that don't even run on any program.
> 
> Deprogramming hopefully restores a person to the state where they were
> before their free will was stolen.

You are such a fool. How much does the German secret service pay you
for posting that crap?
 
> 
> > > Nobody is in
> > > > Scientology without her or his own free will.
> > >
> > > I would ask Lisa MacPherson's opinion on that, but she is dead, murdered
>  by
> > > the KK$ and then had her money stolen.
> >
> > I think Lisa was nabbed by psychs and messed up and sent in the orgs
> > to cause them problems. I do not approve on how they handled their
> > case, but they did not kill her.
> 
> They sure did. No question. If it were in NY State, they would be guilty of
> depraved indifference homicide.

They did it secretly.
> 
> > > I know that because I
> > > > was so many years in SCN and still are a Scientologist. If you don't
> > > > want to study the religion andmore, you just discontinue and do
> > > > something else.
> > >
> > > Or, when you run out of money they....
> >
> > I did not pay much money in SCN.
> 
> Kicked you out, eh? and you are too embarrassed to mention it?
> 
> > > > > > You don't know anything about deprogramming. Taking a religion and
> > > > > > living by it is no mindcontrol,
> > > > >
> > > > > Only if the person takes that religion by their own free will. WRT
>  to
>  J4J's
> > > > > and the KK$, there is no free will.
> > > >
> > > > You should make differences. Most of all, you are pro-"deprogramming",
> > > > that is where the free will is stolen. Is somebody tells you about a
> > > > religion and you find it good and true and you join it, that means
> > > > that you made the decision on your own free will. However, when you
> > > > are being kidnapped, as I was, and locked up and abused to give up
> > > > your religion, that is not covered under free will, that is
> > > > "deprogramming", despite there is no program within the victims.
> > >
> > > Considering what else you believe, I find that hard to believe.
> >
> > There are documents, newspaper articles about the deprogamming. The
> > judgment by the court in the case is posted in Google newsgroups.
> > Google my name and you will find that.
>  
> > Whatelse do I believe? You don't know me even. What do you know about
> > me, glib guy?
> 
> I know that you are playing gin rummy with a pinochle deck.
> 
> > > > If I would be you I would clear what free will means, because you
> > > > think that free will is when people believe in only what *you* find
> > > > good and appropriate, not what they find good and appropriate.
> > >
> > > Hardly.
> > >
> > > > > but stealing people's religions and
> > > > > > personality through the inhumane and criminal "deprogramming" is.
>  It
> > > > > > also doesn't work. It did not work with me. All I was thinking
>  through
> > > > > > the ordeal was to get out, to file charges against them and that I
> > > > > > never want to become one of them. It probably works with weak
>  people,
> > > > > > people that develop something like the "Stockhausen-syndome",
>  because
> > > > > > they don't want to be longer abused by the criminals.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > same as you don't
> > > > > > > > understand Godwin's laws,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrong, again. You donot udnerstand one scintilla of his law.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is no law! It is written to the advantage of still active
>  German
> > > > > > Nazis which don't want to be reminded of what they did and what
>  they
> > > > > > still are up to.
> > > > >
> > > > > Only in your so-called 'mind.'
> > > >
> > > > Works better than your mind, Saurus, that is for sure.
> > >
> > > Do not be so sure. First, please find your mind, and then give it a test
> > > spin..
> > >
> > > > > > However, I do believe you now that your Uncle is
> > > > > > German and that you were in Germany.
> > > > >
> > > > > My uncle was German? Hardly.
> > > >
> > > > I thought you posted earlier in this thread that your Uncle is a
> > > > German and you spend time in Germany?
> > >
> > > Half right (which is a 50% improvement). I spent time in Germany working
>  for
> > > Uncle, not my uncle.
> >
> > Typial for a German agent.
> 
> I was referring to Uncle Sam. Do you know him?
> 
> > > > > Did the still existing German
> > > > > > Nazi secret service, the former Gehlen Spy Ring (yes, look them
> > > > > > up)hire you to promote their propaganda?
> > > > >
> > > > > Paranoid drivel.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > but below a bit more to open your blind eyes
> > > > > > > > as to what you promote by being "pro-deprogramming".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A front organization for the Kriminal Kult of $cientology, a
>  racketeering
> > > > > > > influence corrupt organization that steals minds? Hardly a good
>  source.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What front group?
> > > > >
> > > > > Religious Freedom Watch
> > > > >
> > > > > > They did not steal my mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is a fact not in evidence.
> > > > >
> > > > > And as far as you are
> > > > > > concerned, I think you never had any to begin with.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, I am so hurt. NOT!
> > > > >
> > > > > > > And, reposting it a gadzillion times will not make it any more
>  true.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That goes for your Nazi propaganda.
> > > > >
> > > > > What are you talking about? I do not post Nazi anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > > You should go to the www.religiousfreedomwatch.org and click on
>  the
> > > > > > Rick Ross institute. Read the court documents that you can verify
>  in
> > > > > > those courts. Get some reality about your friends, the
> > > > > > "deprogrammers".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where you involved in "deprogramming"? Did you help to "deprogram"
>  a
> > > > > > person? Where you ever in such a "session"?
> > > > >
> > > > > Prevention is worth a pound of cure.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Prevention" through a "deprogramming" session? I still don't know if
> > > > you ever witnessed a "deprogramming" or what you do exactly in those
> > > > sessions with the Messanic Jews. I also can't imagine any Messanic
> > > > Jews or other religious person being so stupid and come to your home!
> > >
> > > You do not have a very good imagination.
> > >
> > > > After all, you are after their minds and want to make the world to
> > > > Probert-believers and followers.
> > >
> > > Nope. Not at all.
> > >
> > > > You a cultist, Saurus. Stealing other people's religion is a cult.
> > >
> > > Straight from $cientology 101, accuse your opponent of your own
>  behavior.
> > >
> > > > And
> > > > that is what you are after. I am a Scientolgist, but I have no
> > > > problems with people having any other religion, as long as they let me
> > > > have mine and don't want to steal mine, they can believe in whatever
> > > > they want and preach to whomever they want. As far as growth of
> > > > religion is concerned, I believe the one with the most truth will
> > > > survive and grow as best. You have to work on your tolerance, because
> > > > you have zero.
> > >
> > > I oppose the methods of recruitment by cults, including the KK$.
>  
> > What do they EXACTLY that makes you so enraged?
> 
> they steal minds. look at you. Stolen and never returned.

Lol. I am not the kind of person who allows others to steal my strong
independent mind.


Barbara Schwarz

> 
> I have a lot more
> > tolerance than you have. It must be terrible to be so bitter, just
> > because people take their right to choose their own religion.
> 
> Not me.