Re: Abuse complaints filed with Geocities, Yahoo! & Excite: Barbara Schwarz

On 10 Oct 2003 10:14:02 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barbara Schwarz)
wrote in alt.religion.scientology:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> On 9 Oct 2003 09:04:31 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barbara Schwarz)
>> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>> 
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rasta Robert) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >> On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:40:42 +0200, "Nessie"
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in alt.religion.scientology:
>>  
>> >> >Must be a piece of cake for OSA to get hold of some invoices
>> >> >in a sex shop.
>> >> 
>> >> They could have ordered some stuff at the porn shop themselves and
>> >> altered the client info I suppose.
>> >
>> >And how do you "smart" people explain the porn on Touretzky's website?
>> 
>> It's discutable if that can be called 'porn'.  Can't really imagine
>> someone would be turned on by it.
>
>Oh man! I can't believe I am in this discussion. Now listen carefully
>to me, Rasta Robert. The definition of porno is not being "turned on"
>by something. The definition of porn is perverted sexual behavior and
>pictures, and that is exactly the kind of photos that Touretzky took
>and put on his website! He is twisted like hell and he must be turned
>on by them, otherwise he would not put them up or probably posed
>himself for it.
>

Wrong Barbara, we get nowhere if you start to use your own private
interpretations/definitions of words instead of the established/common
meaning/definition.  The definition of porn is precisely that it is
only meant to 'turn on' a persons sexual desire and has no other value.

PORN
Pronunciation: powrn
WordNet Dictionary Definition: [n]  creative activity (writing or pictures 
or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate 
sexual desire Synonyms: porno, pornography

PERVERTED
Pronunciation: pur'vurtid
Matching Terms: Perverter
WordNet Dictionary Definition: 1[adj]  marked by immorality; deviating from 
what is considered right or proper or good; "depraved criminals"; "a perverted
sense of loyalty"; "the reprobate conduct of a gambling aristocrat" 
2[adj]  having an intended meaning altered or misrepresented; "many of the 
facts seemed twisted out of any semblance to reality"; "a perverted translation
of the poem" 
3[adj]  (used of sexual behavior) "kinky sex"; "perverted practices" 

OBSCENE
Pronunciation: ub'seen
Matching Terms: obscenely, obscenity
WordNet Dictionary Definition: 1[adj]  suggestive of or tending to moral
looseness; "lewd whisperings of a dirty old man"; "an indecent gesture";
"obscene telephone calls"; "salacious limericks" 
2[adj]  designed to incite to indecency or lust; "the dance often 
becomes flagrantly obscene"- Margaret Mead
3[adj]  offensive to the mind; "an abhorrent deed"; "the obscene massacre 
at Wounded Knee"; "morally repugnant customs"; "repulsive behavior"; "the 
most repulsive character in recent novels" 

>> 
>> >How did that get there? He was forced by OSA to put it there, right?
>> 
>> Don't think so.  What you call porn was put up as a form of gross 
>> satire on the scientology e-meter, most probably by himself.
>
>He likely is the guy who took the photos and is also the male
>porn-"star" of the pictures. And what is that? A religious object
>disgraced is what you call a "satire"? The e-meter is used for
>auditing, not for any sexual activities! 

It's probably not really an e-meter in the pictures (I didn't really
study them exhaustively though), but some people use electro-stimulation
sex toys (seem to be espacially popular in BDSM circles).
I think your phantasy is flying off with you when you believe David
Touretzky made those pictures.

>I never have witnessed any
>porn activities within any Scientology org. 

No but OSA is know to have set up situations to frame people 
in intricate ways.

>Those pictures are made by
>Touretzky, and he used his sex shop purchases for it. Furthermore,
>with him degrading the e-meter, he is degrading and attacking the
>religion Scientology, and he is in violation with constitutional and
>other laws. That man has no decency inside him, and neither do you.

Oh come on, you are so quick to acuse anyone who you imagine to be
against you or who dares to disagree with you or give you critical 
comment.

>Would you like Touretzky using Rastahair draped around, you know what,
>or hanging over the naked fat girl in a perverted sexual picture or
>would you be deeply offended by that?

I don't think I would be that offended.  My believes are not so shaky
that something like that would bother me.  By the way, did you know
there is a band with the name 'Dreadlock Pussy'?  Would I have to be
'deeply offended' by that?  I am responsible for my own feelings,
not for the actions of others, so I don't have to let it offend me.
It doesn't feel good to feel offended, it is a form of shutting
oneself off from the universal intellgence.  Letting external
influences determine how to feel sounds similar to me as what
in scientology terms could be called not being free of the reactive
mind.  Not being able to intervene, or to be at cause of how one feels,
but being 'at effect', having an automatic emotional reaction 
to an external stimulus.  Isn't dianetics/scientology supposed to get rid 
of that?

>> >Give me a break! You guys should be concerned about that woman that
>> >Touretzky fixed up with those sex chains. How about investigating how
>> >old she is, and if she is a student of CMU, Lise?
>> 
>> I don't think he made those photos himself but found them on the
>> internet somewhere.
>
>Yeah right! Who knows, one day the woman will come forward, or David
>Touretzky will be ordered by a court to be examed, who know where, and
>we will all know, that he was the porn-director and the porn-"star".

What you think you know does not have to be the truth, as long as you
can not prove it, you just jump to the conclusion that some suspicion
you have must be true and will not concider that as long as you don't
really know for sure there are several different possible explanations
that could equally be true.  This makes you inflexible and might mean
that you're getting yourself in some trouble which is mostly of your
own making.  But you don't seem to realise how you are tricking yourself.
You must be quite a good good trickster to do that in such a masterly 
fashion.

Rasta Robert
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