Re: Transubstantiation Error!

in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christopher Robin
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> alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.sci.phenomena.unusual,sci.psycholo
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .personality,sci.techniques.testing.misc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:25:51 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Transubstantiation Error
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cunneen)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 05 Oct 2003 08:44:04 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Transubstantiation Error
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What evidence is there that bread and wine are God, here,
>>>>> today?
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insufficient to take 'God's word' for it, unless His words
>>> can
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> shown
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean without doubt that bread and wine are God, or can be
>>> God.
>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never been done. So what practical tests can be applied to
>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and wine are, or can be, God? Suggestions are invited from
>>>>> any,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular from accredited behavioural scientists,
>>>>> psychologists
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in related fields.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus' own words,<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus did not make any statement that supports
>>>>> transubstantiation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke 22:19, Matthew 26:26, John 6:32-66, 1 Cor 10:16, 1 Cor
>>>>>>> 11:23-27<
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You must be aware that I am aware of these verses; so I wonder
>>> why
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> merely referenced them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure you're aware of them at all, since you made that
>>>>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you meant that your interpretation of what Jesus said
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> support Transubstantiation?  You claimed he made no statement
>>> that
>>>>>>>>> supports
>>>>>>>>>>>> Transubstantiation, I gave you 3 places in the Gospels, as well
>>> as
>>>>> 2
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul's writings that appear to disagree with you.<
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If you knew that they only appear to disagree, it was ingenuous
> of
>>>>>>> you<
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Erratum: that should be 'disingenuous'.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Yet you were the one who claimed Jesus made no such statement.<
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Why the 'yet'?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> YOu don't understand the English language?<
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes; as well as you. Now where is your answer?
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Apparently not as well as me if you can't comprehend the usage of
> 'yet'
>>>>> there.<
>>>> 
>>>> I'm sure everyone who understands English much understands that you
> would
>>>> like to imply that I am lying; but you never seem to be able to
> actually
>>>> produce a lie of mine!
>>>> 
>>>>>>> Have you yet shown my claim to be that of a liar?<
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Where is your answer?
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Right below:<
>>>> 
>>>> How do those verses make me a liar? Now's your big chance!
>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yep...  1 Cor 10:16, 1 Cor 11:23-27, Luke 22:19, Matthew 26:26, John
>>>>> 6:32-66
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Will you ever?
>>>>>>> See above.<
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> See above.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is this what transubstantiation does for people? I have not put up
>>>>>>>> verses and then admitted that I did so knowing that they do not
>>> support
>>>>>>> me!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have put up verses that do not support you.<
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That is a matter of opinion.
>>>>> Which is the point of this - you claimed Jesus said nothing that
>>> supports
>>>>> Transubstantiation.  I provided verses that DO appear to support it.<
>>>> 
>>>> There is a a very big difference, as everyone who knows the Bible is
>>> aware.
>> 
>>> Yep<
>> 
>> So you admit to, in effect, telling a lie.
> Nope...  I did not admit to any such nonsense.<

There is a a very big difference, as everyone who knows the Bible is aware.

>> 
>>> Yep<