Re: Free will as a kind of determinism.

I'm not understanding this conclusion, nor how these steps led you to it.  I
am of the opinion that there has been a choice made in each of your
examples, with different reasoning for each.  In the first the child chooses
to wash the plates in lieu of continued beating.  In the second, the child
chooses to wash the plates to avoid another beating.  The third is, in my
educated opinion, is absurd since any child who has been truly beaten will
never forget the beating, nor the person who levied that force.  The fourth
makes even less sense to me.  Are you saying that if one enjoys doing
something, he no longer has to choose to do it?

Also, "determinism" is defined by Webster as "the philosophical doctrine
that every state of affairs, including every human event, act, and decision
is the inevitable consequence of antecedent states of affairs."  In other
words, A+B=C.  For instance, a child grows up in a violent environment and
becomes a violent offender when he grows up.  If you've been following other
threads in this forum, you'll see that it is well-documented that while this
is not the norm.  While such linear thinking seems logical on the surface,
but is very easily dismissed upon more intense scrutiny, which is why I
choose not to subscribe to the deterministic doctrine.

Gina M Dent
"Nature does not deal in rewards or punishments, but only in consequences."
(Robert Ingersoll)



"Sufurv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Free will is the third stage of persons development.
> 1. Mother shouts and beats a child to force it to wash plates and
> dishes after eating. It is the direct force ( will is absent ).
> 2. Mother is absent at home but the child remembers her force and
> washes the plates. It is will.
> 3. Mother is absent at home and the child does not remember her force
> but it washes the plates. It is free will.
> 4. The child loves to wash the plates and it wants to become a
> dish-washer. It is a motive ( will is absent ).
> All those are the kinds of carrying out an order. The phrase - the
> choice between free-will and determinism - is nonsense, because free
> will is a kind of determinism.