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On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 05:16 PM, Scott Littleton wrote:

"Thanks, Don! That’s very helpful information. If Birnes is telling the 
truth—and there’s no reason to believe that he isn’t—it reinforces the 
assumption that Corso himself was telling the truth as he saw it and was 
not the “victim” of an unscrupulous “ghost writer.”  

Re the assumption that our laser weapons could have “held the aliens at 
bay,” I heartily agree with Bruce Maccabee’s assessment that it’s 
“blarney.” But Corso may have honestly have believed it to be true.

Re Robert Sheaffer’s snide comments about Jack’s famous 1953 “alien” 
phone calls, I think we should trust Jack’s judgment here. As he says, 
he was there and Shaeffer was not. Whether this “cold metallic” voice 
actually came from our own future, or from a closely related, but still 
marginally different timeline, universe, or whatever, is another 
matter. But unless Jack is lying through his teeth—and again, I have no 
reason whatsoever to believe that he is—he did indeed receive a 
communication from an exotic, and most likely alien source, one that 
was, as he points out in his book, vindicated twenty years later as the 
discoveries the voice predicted came to pass. It’s a curious episode, 
but certainly not one without precedent in the paranormal literature."

JS: I have told the story consistently since 1973 at least and there is 
a tape from 1973 with me and Puthoff et-al where I tell the story as I 
knew it then before I met Andrija Puharich and Geller as Saul-Paul Sirag 
explains the interesting twist. Why would I make up such a seemingly 
nutty story that would obviously damage my career as a respectable 
physicist? It did happen as I say. It was not a prank in the sense 
Sheaffer meant it. If it was simulated it was done by adults with a 
serious purpose on a 13 year old boy. The curious prediction of what was 
to happen 20 years in the future as recorded by none other than Martin 
Gardner in "Magic and Paraphysics" is quite uncanny. Also the voice was 
"cold metallic" in sense of Ch 11 of "Remote Viewers" by Jim Schnabel - 
again involving Hal Puthoff.

Look who some of the "others" include:
Hal Puthoff
Russell Targ
Brendan O Regan
Edgar Mitchell
Werner Erhard
Fred Alan Wolf
Gary Zukav
Fritjof Capra
Uri Geller
Jacques Vallee
Ira Einhorn
Arthur Young
Saul-Paul Sirag
Robert Anton Wilson
Tim Leary
George Koopman
Michael Murphy
George Leonard
Harold Chipman

and many others as told in my book "Destiny Matrix".


"Cheers,

Scott



C. SCOTT LITTLETON

President, Phi Beta Kappa Alumni in Southern California

Professor of Anthropology, Emeritus

Occidental College

Los Angeles, CA 90041

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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is

indistinguishable from magic"

                  --Sir Arthur C. Clarke



"I think we're property. . ."           

                  --Charles Fort"



-----Original Message-----
From: Don Ecker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:22 PM
To: Jack Sarfatti; bruce maccabee
Cc: Scott Littleton
Subject: Re: Corso's Book a Hoax? & 1953



Jack and All,



For what it is worth, I work with and am friends with Bill Birnes. I 
forwarded this note to Bill and here is his reply.



Don Ecker



From Bill Birnes;



Don:

Without going into any detail, Phil Corso read the entire manuscript in 
Florida, made his pen and ink corrections to it, and OK'd it before it 
went to the publisher. Then, when the manuscript came back in galleys, 
Phil Corso read it again and communicated directly with the editor that 
all was OK. There was not a moment that Corso was out of the loop on the 
manuscript or not able to pick a phone to call the editor directly.

Bill

----- Original Message -----

From: "Jack Sarfatti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "bruce maccabee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:23 PM

Subject: Re: Corso's Book a Hoax? & 1953



>
> On Sunday, November 30, 2003, at 08:41 PM, bruce maccabee wrote:
>
> > You wrote:
> >>
> > "I don't know. Paola Harris met him and thinks not.
> > There was a second writer who Corso I think wound up
> > suing. The hoax parts were apparently put in by the other
> > guy?
> >
> > The weakest part of the book concerns the claims about
> > alien technology transfer, but maybe that, or at least the spin, was
> > planted by the ghostwriter? You know like "WMD in Iraq can launch
> > against US
> > in 45 minutes" for example? ;-)  They had us all believing that
> > for awhile. I believed it."
> >
> >
> > Maccabee: "A big problem is to separate out the "true Corso" from the
> > Birnes version
> > (Wm. Birnes, the author who claims he  based what he wrote on Corso's
> > notes/diary/interviews, etc.). I seem to recall the Corso
> > didn't read the manuscript and was angry with
> > Birnes after the criticisms started coming in.
> > His version of technology transfer is reasonable (give advanced stuff
> > to
> > selected scientists without telling them exactly where it came from; 
> > let them
> > figure it out and patent any "new science" that might arrise thereby).
> > The problem is to prove  that any of the tech transfers he mentions
> > actually took place as Corso
> > claimed. When I checked up on transistor history it seemed to me that
> > there was no
> > unexpected "insertion" of knowledge into the normal flow of theory and
> > experiment. Also the suggestion that space based laser weapons or beam
> > weapons have
> > held the aliens at bay is blarney."
>
> Robert Sheaffer wrote:
>
> > "That business about "blaming the ghostwriter" is an old trick for
> > dodging
> > responsibility for absurdities in one's own book. In a UFO conference
> > about
> > 1987 I was confronting William Moore in person about the absurdities
> > in his
> > book "The Roswell Incident" (that he co-authored with Charles Berlitz
> > of
> > 'Bermuda Triangle' fame). Every time I objected to something, he said
> > 'Berlitz wrote that, you have to blame it on him'. I replied: you
> > should
> > have used two different colors of ink in the book, maybe, blue and
> > green. If
> > it was blue, I would know it was by Moore, and you would have to take
> > responsibility for it. If it was green, I would know it was by
> > Berlitz, and
> > I would ignore it. But since everything was in black, I will hold you
> > accountable for everything it says.
> >
> > As for the Iraqi WMD,  yes, I believed it too, but I'm not sure it's
> > 100%
> > wrong. First, we know that Saddam had WMD in the 90s, but he did *not*
> > provide proper documentation of its destruction. Second, some Israeli
> > sources claim that that at least some of the Iraqi WMD were
> > transferred to
> > Syria (we know that during the first Gulf War, he sent part of his Air
> > Force
> > to his "enemy" Iran). Third, Saddam's plan appears to have been to
> > reduce
> > his WMD program to a 'small nucleus' of germs and nuclear capabilities
> > (like
> > the scientist who had a centrifuge buried in his back yard) until such
> > time
> > as the U.N. sanctions would hopefully be lifted, and then he could go
> > into
> > big-scale production. It does appear to be true that Saddam did not
> > have
> > much in the way of weapons-ready WMD in 2003 (although the U.N. and
> > many
> > others believed that he did).
> >
> > About your much-ballyhooed '1953 phone call',  I seem to recall
> > reading that
> > somebody like 'an older brother or cousin' of one of your friends much
> > later
> > confessed to having done this as a prank."
>
> What do you mean you seem to recall? I lived it you did not.
> I do not have an older brother.
> I did not have any cousins at that time. No one
> in my family then was scientifically literate or
> into UFOs.
>
> Again I say for the record what you say above is
> 100% false. I am very curious where you got those
> lies from? Indeed, the 1973 tape of me with Puthoff & Targ
> is evidence for the contrary as Sirag can explain.
> I did not meet Walter Breen until after that phone call by
> several months nor had I yet met Robert Bashlow or
> Johnny Glogower or Robert Solovay.  They
> are the only intellects of my class who in 1953
> could have even conceived of such a "prank."
>
> The only people who could have done it were
>
> 1. The US Army Intelligence who studied me as a child
> at Quarter Master's HQ in downtown Manhattan near
> the John Wannamaker Bdg where Captain Video was
> shot. I attended some of the shoots. My Grandfather
> worked for the Army and I used to play in the
> Army facility and ride in Army cars with high
> ranking officers talking about space travel and
> rockets. I was perhaps 10 or 11 years old. This
> happened over many months. The precise dates
> can be found from Army records showing when
> my Grandfather Murray Jacobson worked for them.
>
> II. An occult fascist Secret Society into UFOs
> like the "Silver Shirts" described by Jacques
> Vallee because of my relation to Benito Mussolini's
> mentor and mistress Margherita Sarfatti
> beloved of G. Marconi. See "Il Duce's Other Woman."
> Note that Roberto Sarfatti was the symbol of
> Fascist Youth in Italy from 1918 to the 1920's.
> See also "The Cradle Will Rock" by Tim Robbins where
> Susan Sarandon plays Margherita Sarfatti.
> I looked in my youth amazingly like one of
> Margherita's sons Amadeo.
>
> Also I used to have a recurrent dream of being
> killed in a trench in WWI BEFORE I knew
> of the Roberto Sarfatti story! Roberto
> was killed at age 18 taking a bullet to save
> Mussolini very close to the end of the
> War on the Austrian front. Remember that
> Italy was on the Allied side in WWI.
> That is why Roberto was glorified later.
> Again I did not know this story until
> after the strange meeting with David
> Padwa. It's all in my autobiography
> "Destiny Matrix" that you obviously
> have not read or you would not have
> made your completely false statement.
> >
>
> > "Now, since I do not now have the
> > source for this information in front of me, I concede that this
> > statement,
> > currently unsupported, has no probative value. Perhaps I can find it
> > again.
> > Are you aware of such a claim, and if so, how do you judge it?"
>
> It is a slanderous lie because it makes me look like a liar or an idiot
> or
> both. It's a very cheap shot. How could anyone even pretend to that
> kind of information? They would have to have been there! That's
> 50 years ago. I am very interested in who is propagating that lie
> because that person or persons is my or are my enemies and it is
> very important to know who one's enemies are.
>
> >
> > 'I remember an incident from my own childhood, around 1956. I was only
> > 6 or
> > 7. I answered the phone, it was a man who said something like "You're
> > such a
> > smart boy, Robert, bla bla bla, you've won a box of Kellogg's Corn
> > Flakes."
> > I told my mother excitedly, "Mommy, I won something!". She picked up
> > the
> > phone, and after a moment said, "It's your uncle Wally, he's just
> > joking".
> > Is there any possibiltiy that your famous phone call was something like
> > that????"
>
> NONE WHATSOEVER! Besides my mother remembered "three weeks of calls"
> lasting
> "many hours" where I was walking around "glassy eyed". She finally
> grabbed the phone
> from me and HEARD the "cold metallic voice".
>
> It's as shown in
>
>http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
>
> There is not one shred of truth in the lie you related or in your silly
> theory of what it was.
> I am no fool when it comes to this stuff.
>
> >
> >         best,
> >
> >             Roberto, il tenore
> >
> > ..----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jack Sarfatti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Robert Sheaffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: "APOLLINAIR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 5:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: Corso's Book a Hoax?
> >
> >
> >> I don't know. Paola Harris met him and thinks not.
> >> There was a second writer who Corso I think wound up
> >> suing. The hoax parts were apparently put in by the other
> >> guy?
> >>
> >> The weakest part of the book concerns the claims about
> >> alien technology transfer, but maybe that, or at least the spin, was
> >> planted
> >> by the ghostwriter? You know like "WMD in Iraq can launch against US
> >> in 45 minutes" for example? ;-)  They had us all believing that
> >> for awhile. I believed it.
> >>
> >> My opinion of Corso's book is based on a few key things he says
> >> that "ring true" to my intuition. This is far from rigorous proof of
> >> any kind of course.
> >>
> >> 1. Crew artificial AI fits my 1953 "experience" in
> >>
> >>http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
> >>
> >> That really happened. Now what was really on the other end of the
> >> telephone I do not know.
> >>
> >> 2. Control of craft via brain waves.
> >>
> >> 3. Inside of ship is virtually "empty" no massive engines,
> >> no kitchens, no toilets, i.e., nano-tech & star gate virtual
> >> instant transportation perhaps to brane world next door
> >> across a small distance in hyperspace?
> >>
> >> 4. Time travel - they come from the future again
> >> that fits what happened to me in 1953 when
> >> the alleged ET AI said what would happen
> >> in 1973 when in fact I met Hal Puthoff et-al
> >> as part of the CIA funded SRI RV project
> >> as Saul-Paul tells it in my book "Destiny Matrix".
> >> We even have a 90 minute tape of part of my
> >> meeting with Hal Puthoff, Russell Targ,
> >> Brendan O Regan, et-al arranged by
> >> Jacques Vallee who did not show up -
> >> curious. My 1953 contact is discussed
> >> on that tape. Jim Hurtak also mentioned.
> >> All very odd no matter how you cut it.
> >> How I got there is bizzare. It's all in
> >> "Destiny Matrix."
> >>
> >> 5. My current physics consistent with Corso's
> >> Big Picture including recent trickle of new communications
> >> with Hal Puthoff.
> >>
> >> i.e. physics in
> >>
> >>http://qedcorp.com/APS/EmergentGravity.pdf
> >>
> >>http://qedcorp.com/APS/StarGate1.mov
> >>
> >> in the light of the amazing surprise of "dark energy"
> >> since ~ 1999 The Right Stuff to Make Star Trek Real IMHO.
> >
>
> >
>