Re: Man, Mr. bush Jr. sure is wicked evil eh?

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bill Hobba" 
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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>>>>> ...However due to the nature of terrorism you do 
>>>>>not know which of the actions is going to
>>>>>be the 99% that get caught or the 1% that succeed.  
>>>>>Exactly what effect this
>>>>>will have on the long term viability of the 
>>>>>movement only time will tell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mat Merron wrote:
>>>>>> Question is how to get them out of this vicious circle, other then
>>>>>> through brutal, "30 years war" type of processes.  Unfortunately we
>>>>>> don't have the luxury of being able to say "lets just wait till they
>>>>>> come to their senses" since this may take few generations and the
>>>>>> amount of damage that can be done within this time can't be even
>>>>>> estimated.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think we both know the answer (economic rationalism) - but that takes
>>>>>time.
>>>>
>>>>Aye, that's the problem:-(
>>>
>>>Have mercy on this poor brain of mine.  What is economic 
>>>rationalism?
>>
>>Economic rationalism is what you get when you reject ideologies and 
>>base your decisions on what produces economic results.  Unfortunately, 
>>people fight the notoin tooth and nail, so conversion take many, many 
>>years.
>
>There was a show on TV last night (PBS) that claimed the fall
>of Greek civilization, namely, Athens, took a long time to do
>this.  According to the show, their last futile attempt at 
>ensuring their ideology was to sentence Aristotle to death
>because he'ld been teaching facts of economic life.

Aristotle?  He was never sentenced to death.  Perhaps you mean 
Socrates.

>it appeared that he was made into a martyr after the fact.
>Is the USA the Spartus for Islam?
>>>
I don't think that Islam, in its current state, qualifies as Athens.

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>>>  Meanwhile, it would be prudent to have
>>>in place backup plans and procedures to make a jump start possible.
>>>Most, if not all, of these plans are a subset of what is needed 
>>>to make a cold start.  
>>
>>Before this, it'll be prudent to realize that we do not have the 
>>option to sit and do nothing for the couple generation it'll take. 
>
>I reached that step a long time ago.  There doesn't seem to be
>much I can do about the ones downstairs...and, oh, have I tried.
> 
>>That's a belief which is currently held by a large part of the western 
>>population (especially a vast majority of the so called 
>>"intelligentsia").
>
>That's because there's no immediate gratification of power
>acquisition in it.  That's because such thinking is productive.

Perhaps.  Mostly (IMO), it is because they created for themselves a 
wonderful, touchy-feely model of reality and, even though empirical 
evidence contradicts it, they refuse to let go.  It appears that what 
we call (on this NG) "crackpot behavior" is the rule, rather than the 
exception.

Mati Meron                      | "When you argue with a fool,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]         |  chances are he is doing just the same"