Re: How to get into Scientific Programming

"Baruch Vainas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > "Baruch Vainas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> [...]
> > And when you complained about my deleting that, I explained how my
> > reply to another part of that paragraph - which was quoted - covered
> > that point as well:
> >
> > W|  Deleted but addressed. Professors who don't do original research
> > W|  often find themselves not teaching, or not teaching anything worth
> > W|  while (to them). That's what I meant by "marginalized" - it's still
a
> > W|  publish or perish world, tenure or not.
>
> How "often find themselves not teaching" [W], for example, is
> equivalent to "will be asked to do some more teaching" [B]? More than
> that, what the presupposed "marginalization" (because of presupposed
> situation of no teaching) has to do with publish or perish? One can do
> just some administrative job and still keep publishing.

OK, now we're getting somewhere; or at least we're down to a missed
point. My statement [W] is not equivalent to your statement [B] and wasn't
intended to be; it refutes it. "[M]arginalization" in this case means that
while
a tenured professor may not lose their job, they can find themselves so far
from the mainstream that all they have is a title. They will get no classes
to
teach, no resources, nothing. (They might get to lecture once or twice a
year for appearances.)

I didn't think "publish or perish" was a phrase and concept unique to the
U.S., but maybe it is. It means you must do research and publish a certain
number of scholarly works (the time frame varies, but annually isn't
unusual).
If you don't, you get fired (non-tenured) or you begin to fall by the
wayside
(tenured) as mentioned above.

Maybe that doesn't happen in Israel, but it certainly seems widespread here.
(I avoided it, but many of my friends didn't and the reports they send back
from the front lines are hair-raising.) -Wm