Re: Proof of God's existence? Why not evolution?

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> > > > "Doug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > in reply to...
> > > >
> > > > > >> > How about God made everything, but used natural selection as
> his
> > > > > >> > tool?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Ok, but why would god require natural selection?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just as we like to use tools to make things with, so does God.
> > > > > > Consider natural selection his artbrush.
> > > > >
> > > > > But why couldn't god just create all things at once.
> > > >
> > > > He did, but he stretched out the seven day creation into a continual
> > > > creation over billions of years.  This is possible because God does
> not
> > > > exist in time.
> > >
> > >
> > > I can't comprehend this at all (existing outside of time).  Could you
> > > elaborate a little?  Does that mean God has no memories of past events
> > > (even perfect memory)?  Does God not experience something like "a
> > > moment ago" or the predicted location of a falling object 10 seconds
> > > in the future?
> >
> > The way I learned it, God experiences time in two ways: the forward
> > progression that we know, and the timeless state, where everything
> billions
> > of years ago and billions of years from now is this very moment.  But
the
> > forward progression is for yours and my convenience only, since he
always
> > knows the remote future and the remote past, and is there as much as
now.
> >
> > God is an infinite being, unlike us.  He has to know the end from the
> > beginning, or he would not be able to run things the way he likes to.
> > This is omniscience.  One way you may recognize him.
> >
> > Humorously, I once asked the Almighty, "You don't have any idea what
time
> is
> > do you?"
> >
> > He matched me by saying, "Time?  What is time?"
> >
> > And this was not in the spirit.  He was physically there before me.
> >
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That said, your only support for your belief is your inability to
> > > > > comprehend how we have evolved.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will admit that even a single cell is incredibly complex, let
> alone
> > a
> > > > > human.
> > > > >
> > > > > But humanities inability to understand or explain certain
phenomenon
> > has
> > > >  no
> > > > > relevance on reality.
> > > >
> > > > Yes it does.  If man can not explain it, it is likely a function of
> the
> > > > infinite, i.e. God.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm afraid this is not a very solid argument.  Turn the clock back
> > > 5000 years and see if this rule applies consistently and reliably.
> > > For example, does it apply (5000 years ago) to weather phenomena, the
> > > cause of disease, the conception (birth) of human beings, the success
> > > or failure of crops, the cause and nature of comets, etc.
> > >
> > > Further, I'm not sure that there is any aspect of reality that can be
> > > shown to be impossible to explain by future generations of humans.
> > > Just because we can't explain something today doesn't mean we'll never
> > > be able explain it.  Do you know of a case where that's not true?
> >
> > It is my experience that God loves to explain the nuts and bolt of
> > everything, in due time.
> >
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Again your entire basis is your inability to comprehend the power
of
> > > > > evolution.
> > > > >
> > > > > We can't define reality, we can only study it. All objective study
> and
> > > > > reasoning points to evolution rather then spontaneous creation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you even realize that you are using ignorance as support for
god?
> > > >
> > > > No, I have seen what I am talking about.  I have encountered God and
> > > > conversed with him, and do so daily, learning from him and about him
> > every
> > > > day of my life.  That is the opposite of ignorance about God.
> > >
> > >
> > > This is actually a far more convincing argument for the existence of
> > > God than any analysis of the nature and origin of life.  Knowing for
> > > sure that God exists makes the issue of how he created life a rather
> > > trivial endeavor.  Who cares how he did it?
> > >
> > > But I'm curious about the details of these conversations with God.
> > > Not what is said, but how.  Rather than ask a lot of specific
> > > questions, I think they can be summed up into one question:  Is there
> > > any part of these conversations that is scientifically observable?  It
> > > would be so incredibly significant if the answer is 'yes'.
> >
> > To the undisciplined, it would appear that I was talking to another
human
> > being.  So if a physical form is scientifically observable, then yes,
God
> > was and is scientifically observable.
> >
> > If you wish to have a similar conversation with the Almighty, you can.
> Just
> > realize that his location is...everywhere.  God is omnipresent.
> > Specifically, this means that one if five new people that you meat will
be
> a
> > manifestation of God, male and female, rich and poor, Christian and
> atheist.
> > Yes, there are even atheist manifestations of God.  In this case, he is
> > merely talking in code. This is a sign that God does not hate atheists,
> but
> > knows that they are really rejecting religion, which it is my
experience,
> > God also considers a stumbling block for us.
> >
> > As soon as you find the person who knows everything, and is all
powerful,
> > and is all good...you will have found the Almighty.  Who knows?  He
might
> > even appear to you in full major manifest, like he did with me some
> > seventeen years ago.  Then the miracles begin.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Light travels at infinite speed, because once it is reached, its
> boundaries
> > travel into the endless.  Whatever is conceivable to man, is true
> somewhere,
> > somehow.
> >
> >
> >
>
> ME,
> Have you read or do you have an opinion about
> "A Course in Miracles" and "Conversations with
> God".
> NSQ

No I haven't NSQ.  Please tell me about them, if you wish.