Re: Proof of God's existence? Why not evolution?

"Not so quick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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>> > "Mark Earnest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> >> "Doug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> >> > >> > How about God made everything, but used natural selection
>> >> > >> > as his tool?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Ok, but why would god require natural selection?
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>> >> > > Just as we like to use tools to make things with, so does God.
>> >> > > Consider natural selection his artbrush.
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>> >> > But why couldn't god just create all things at once.
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>> >> He did, but he stretched out the seven day creation into a
>> >> continual creation over billions of years.  This is possible
>> >> because God does not exist in time.
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>> > I can't comprehend this at all (existing outside of time).  Could
>> > you elaborate a little?  Does that mean God has no memories of past
>> > events (even perfect memory)?  Does God not experience something
>> > like "a moment ago" or the predicted location of a falling object
>> > 10 seconds in the future?
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>> Like most theist arguments, Mark's is based on hypocrisy.
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>> It is all right for him to make wild and unsubstantiated claims about
>> god, like existing "outside of time", but if a non-believer deduces
>> any inconsistency their oppinon has no bearing, since god can not be
>> understood.
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> Hypocrisy means to state beliefs that you do not follow.

You do not have to explain what hypocrisy is.

> Mary has said that his understanding and experience of
> his God is that God is not understandable by logical
> thought processes. Saying that is consistent with his
> stated belief. 

Perhaps you mean Mark.

> Hypocrisy was probably most well known
> as a religious concept by Jesus when he accused the
> religious leaders of his time with judging others while
> committing the same act themselves.

If you frequent alt.religion you will find it is not only religious 
leaders.

> Mary may be making
> statements that aren't logical but he hasn't demonstrated
> hypocrisy. 

Yes he has.

You are not considering the overall track record, not just posts in this 
thread

> If anyone has, it is you for making inaccurate
> and illogical statements about his 'hypocrisy' when you
> are preaching logic and scientific accuracy.


Maybe you are new to alt.religion (if you are posting from here), but 
almost every theist starts a discussion with "god can not be understood". 
Yet they continue by making ludicrous statements that would require 
intimate knowledge of god.

e.g. "God exists outside of time". You can only know this if you understand 
god.

[Saying god can not be understood, and then making declarative statements 
about god is hypocrisy].

When an atheist attempts to make any conclusion about god the response is 
swift, "Your oppinon is worthless because you can not understand god". 
However theists can get away with saying anything (most of the time 
contradicting each other) because they are some how endowed with more 
knowledge about a supposedly unintelligible being, then non-believers.

So, yes, mark is a hypocrite. Unless he admits that his statements about 
god are no more valid then mine.

Otherwise he should not be making any conclusions about god, since he is 
supposed to be beyond human understanding.