Re: Proof of God's existence? Why not evolution?

"ZenIsWhen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Mark Earnest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > Ok, but why would god require natural selection?
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> > Just as we like to use tools to make things with, so does God.
> > Consider natural selection his artbrush.
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> So ...........does god watch "Tool Time" or "This Old House"?
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> > > If god does "use" natural selection then evolution is occuring.
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> > > > It does not stand to reason that as large scale a complexity as the
> > > > human organism could create itself,
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> > > "create itself" ??? ... ofcourse we didn't create ourselves.
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> > O.K. I will rephrase.  It does not stand to reason that the human
species
> > could have created itself over millions of year out of sea algae.  That
> > would require a spark from the divine, some kind of divine assistance,
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> > intervention.
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> Why?
> You invent the "divine" .. and then assign tasks to it you cannot
> comprehend.
> There is NO evidence of any "divine" intervention!

There is if you look at the whole process of the emergence of man, from
millions of years ago to now.  Man could not have risen from an amoeba
without someone helping him.  Any more than a building can construct itself.

The evidence?  It is so obvious, it is its own evidence.
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> > > > without some kind of help.
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> > > What do you have to base this claim on?
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> > Consider natural selection a box of building blocks for children.
> > It takes something far greater (than the blocks) to build toy houses and
> > buildings with them.  Natural selection is a great set of building
blocks
> > for creating mankind.  But it just makes no sense at all to think that
the
> > blocks could somehow assemble themselves.  Nothing else in nature
bahaves
> > that way.
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> Wrong again.
> You box of blocks analogy is ridiculous, that's why nature doesn't act
"that
> way"!
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> Do you even understand that natural selection is a PROCESS ... not a
thing?

God uses the process as a tool.
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> > > Do you have some insight that surpasses the brilliant men and women
who
> > > have dedicated their lives to understanding evolution and biology?
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> > I have never judged myself.  It would not be humble, which is required
for
> > discourse.
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> Religious zealots are never humble!

I agree!  I am not religious!  I just have found God!  A humbling
experience, to say the least!
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> > > Please share it with us. (I think it will require a formal proof since
> you
> > > are so sure.)
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> > > I have added talk.origins so those indivduals more learned then I can
> > > comment on your proof.
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> > O.K.  It only takes a little logic.
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> Then you appartently have none!
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> > In every case in human life, complex creations require intelligence and
> > forethought, and a great deal of care.
> > Like watches, assembly lines for cars, and building construction
> machinery.
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> For mankind to make something out of nature does NOT mean someone had to
> make nature.
> That's an old, and fraudulent, argument!
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> > So why not the creation of humankind?  Surely the creation of man
requires
> > intelligence and forethought and a great deal of care as well...
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> Surely it requires no such thing - since there is no evidence of any such
> being, there.
> BTW .. take a good look at humanities frailties and defects.
> What careful thought and planning went into a baby being born without a
> brain?

There are problems, and this world is cursed.  That is what God gets glory
from by correcting.

Unfair?  No, this life is over in an instant.  Then there is only forever,
and then we know the suffering was for but an instant, and well worth it,
considering the glory that came from correcting the imballance.