Re: 1,000 Times Too Many Humans?

"G EddieA95" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >lifetimes fall
> >to
> >> 45 years.
> >
> >Nonsense. Provided there are population concentrations,
> >society would be able to retain its knowledge and most
> >or even all of its technology.
>
> In such a world, a proportionally larger fraction of people will revert to
> subsistence agriculture.  There won't be the workers needed to maintain a
> multitechnological world.

I think the case of medieval Europe after the Black
Death argues against that scenario. If people are offered
a little better life with modern medicine, I think they
will move to population centers in order to retain and
even improve their status thus maintaining a technological
society.

>
> >The Roman Catholic Church still hopes to
> >dominate by having the pious breed faster than
> >other factions in Western society.
>
> Antireligious propaganda.  In western nations, Cathoilcs do not produce
that
> many more kids.  The Church opposes conyraception and abortion for
theological,
> not sociological reasons.

It still works out the same. They still seek to influence and
dominate. Consider the even more crass case of
the Russian Orthodox Church or consider the overt statements
made by the Islamic leaders in occupied Iraq. They both seek to own
the people minds and hearts by iron grip of law and intimidation.


>
> Italy is a Catholic country and its population is *falling*.

That is because the churches in Europe stand empty when compared
to times past. Popular support of the Church is quite shallow. Indeed
as the Mexicans come north they tending to both abandon the
Church and have smaller families. By the third and fourth generations,
their families are about the size of everyone elses, if
my impressions are correct.

If we count Mexico and Ireland as Western Nations:-) I suspect they still
have
a fewer more kids.


>
>
>
>
> >Ancient and medieval societies certainly underwent
> >pestilence and famine and generally survived. Barring
> >invasions by barbarians, material culture didn't
> >decline too much.
>
> Not surprising, as for nonnobility, 'material culture' was too near bare
> subsistence too fall very far.

In that I agree.  Indeed, some historians have suggested the poor even
gained
with loss of Roman rule in some areas.


Leon Koss is coming.........................
with his new Dark Age in hand..................
He kneels to Tammuz in the East and drinks the
blood pigs and divines the future with
entrails of a cow.................................
...................................William A. Noyes