Re: Answers From The Grave

"Ian St. John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/26/60minutes/main585798.shtml
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> > > > CBS) While no evidence of weapons of mass destruction has yet been
> found
> > > in
> > > > Iraq, evidence of mass murder is everywhere.
> > >
> > > False. There are evidence of death, but murder must include
situational
> > > factors that are unproven. The 375,000 estimated casualties from the
> > > Iran/Iraq warwar undoubtably constitute the bulk of the bodies which
> have
> > > been unearthed in this political 'witch hunt'.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The evidence? Mass graves scattered throughout the country where
> > families
> > > of
> > > > victims have been trying to find the remains of some 300,000 Iraqis
> who
> > > > disappeared during the Saddam regime.
> > >
> > > Evidence? You woyuld need a total of about 700,000 bodies to account
for
> > > such a claim as well as war casualties. The graves found so far are
not
> > > sufficient to support this contention.
> >
> > How do you know there were 300,000 Iraqi casualties from the Iran/Iraq
> war?
>
> 375,000 from the war.  plus maybe 25,000 from the Shhiite rebellion in
1991.

Where is the forensic evidence for this?  I'm to take your word?

> Add that to your claim of 300,000 'disappeared' and you need 700,000
bodies
> or someones lying.

You, perhaps?

> > What is your source for that information?
>
> http://www.idf.il/iraq/english/info03.stm
> Don't you trust the Israeli Defense Force or do you think they are
'covering
> up' for Saddam??

Don't you trust CBS?

>
> > Don't you think the relatives
> > would know if their loved ones had fought and died in the war?
>
> I have no idea where this come from. Do you claim the 375,000 bodies from
> the war walked away? You have 300,000 or so bodies to explain and so far
no
> more than 300,000 bodies in mass graves. The explanation seem obvious and
> doesn't involve your fantasies.

Do you think there are only 300,000 bodies buried in all of Iraq?  Do you
think that loyal Iraqis would bury their fallen war comrads in hidden mass
graves with blind folds over their eyes, and not notify the next of kin (for
375,000 individuals)?  Your argument is a farce.  Don't you think the
relatives
would know if their loved ones had fought and died in the war?

> >
> > > > Forensic experts hope DNA samples from the graves eventually may
> provide
> > > the
> > > > clues to just who these victims were before Saddam consigned them to
> > > > unmarked graves. Correspondent Scott Pelley reports.
> > >
> > > Demonstrating that no actual forensic identification of identity or
> cause
> > > has been made.
> >
> > Some identifications have been made.  Obviously with the immensity of
the
> > work in front of them, they have their work cut out for them.
>
> Rather, they can be counted on to do nothing anytime soon and thus not
> embarass the propagandists.

Since Mr. Kimsey's groups is independent of the government, what makes you
think the government has any say in what they do, or in their findings?
Remember, you must provide forensic evidence to prove your case!

> More repetitious "if someone had.." which really gives no credent to the
> evidence. Forensics is about letting the evidence speak, not making
> hypothetical claims or automatic claims of fact for every accusation.

Except all you want to do is halt the gathering of that evidence.

> The whole thing is an exercise in propaganda trying to justify the war. It
> will fail as surely as the WMDs and the terrorism claims. The fact is
that,
> while a dictator, somewhat vainglorious, and not the sharpest tool in the
> shed, there is no real evidence that Saddam was that bad. Priorto the war,
> Iraq was noted as the most stable and prosperous of the persian gulf
> countries, and the repression of Kurdish separatrion, or Shiite religious
> extremism was just part of what it took to run the country.

Fine.  If you think he is worth defending, you go to Iraq and stand in front
of him while our soldiers take him out.  I'll watch.