Re: Answers From The Grave

"George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Ian St. John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/26/60minutes/main585798.shtml
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> > > CBS) While no evidence of weapons of mass destruction has yet been
found
> > in
> > > Iraq, evidence of mass murder is everywhere.
> >
> > False. There are evidence of death, but murder must include situational
> > factors that are unproven. The 375,000 estimated casualties from the
> > Iran/Iraq warwar undoubtably constitute the bulk of the bodies which
have
> > been unearthed in this political 'witch hunt'.
> >
> > >
> > > The evidence? Mass graves scattered throughout the country where
> families
> > of
> > > victims have been trying to find the remains of some 300,000 Iraqis
who
> > > disappeared during the Saddam regime.
> >
> > Evidence? You woyuld need a total of about 700,000 bodies to account for
> > such a claim as well as war casualties. The graves found so far are not
> > sufficient to support this contention.
>
> How do you know there were 300,000 Iraqi casualties from the Iran/Iraq
war?

375,000 from the war.  plus maybe 25,000 from the Shhiite rebellion in 1991.

Add that to your claim of 300,000 'disappeared' and you need 700,000 bodies
or someones lying.

> What is your source for that information?

http://www.idf.il/iraq/english/info03.stm
Don't you trust the Israeli Defense Force or do you think they are 'covering
up' for Saddam??


> Don't you think the relatives
> would know if their loved ones had fought and died in the war?

I have no idea where this come from. Do you claim the 375,000 bodies from
the war walked away? You have 300,000 or so bodies to explain and so far no
more than 300,000 bodies in mass graves. The explanation seem obvious and
doesn't involve your fantasies.

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> > > Forensic experts hope DNA samples from the graves eventually may
provide
> > the
> > > clues to just who these victims were before Saddam consigned them to
> > > unmarked graves. Correspondent Scott Pelley reports.
> >
> > Demonstrating that no actual forensic identification of identity or
cause
> > has been made.
>
> Some identifications have been made.  Obviously with the immensity of the
> work in front of them, they have their work cut out for them.

Rather, they can be counted on to do nothing anytime soon and thus not
embarass the propagandists.

More repetitious "if someone had.." which really gives no credent to the
evidence. Forensics is about letting the evidence speak, not making
hypothetical claims or automatic claims of fact for every accusation.

The whole thing is an exercise in propaganda trying to justify the war. It
will fail as surely as the WMDs and the terrorism claims. The fact is that,
while a dictator, somewhat vainglorious, and not the sharpest tool in the
shed, there is no real evidence that Saddam was that bad. Priorto the war,
Iraq was noted as the most stable and prosperous of the persian gulf
countries, and the repression of Kurdish separatrion, or Shiite religious
extremism was just part of what it took to run the country.