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1) Ron Corbett Candidate Profile
2) Rogers TV "More-than-1-candidate" debate:
3) Citizen Candidate Coverage: The mayoralty sideshow
4) Kyle Gascoigne: Questions
5) Russell McOrmond: Not worth my time
6) John Hogg: Municipal Property Assessment Corporation
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1) Ron Corbett Candidate Profile
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'Super loser' just wants to share his ideas
Ottawa Citizen
by Ron Corbett
Monday, November 03, 2003
RC: John Turmel
John Turmel has run for political office 56 times. It is a
record that has him in the Guinness Book of Records. If he
is unsuccessful in his most recent bid for political office,
to become mayor of Ottawa, he happily admits he will set
another record. "If I lose, it will be 56 straight losses,"
says Mr. Turmel. "I have the record for most times running
and most times losing."
Mr. Turmel, 52, takes pride in this perfect record of
failure. He carries around a book filled with news stories
on his various defeats and travails. He particularly likes
pithy headlines over photos of his face, such as: "Super
loser fails again." The book has more than just political
clippings in it. As well as being a political-candidate
junkie, Mr. Turmel is a self-proclaimed professional
gambler,
JCT: "Self-proclaimed??" The Citizen dubbed me "The Gambler"
over a quarter century ago. I'm in the Martin's Criminal
Code of Canada as an "exceptionally skilled professional
gambler." How else could I inform people I'm a professional
gambler without it being demeaned to a "self-proclaimed"
accomplishment.
RC: the inventer of the LETS system of international banking
and, most recently, a medicinal marijuana advocate.
JCT: LETS consulting engineer, UNILETS Engineer. I believe
this is the second time in 18 years since I've been
promoting LETS in my campaigns that they did more than call
it an un-named "barter system." LETS broke through.
RC: To listen to the Ottawa native talk is to get nearly
dizzy from the claims and the boasts, but on his political
career, he has a fairly astute take on the situation.
JCT: Sure, dizzy from the heights of battle reached but are
headlines really boastful?
RC: "Hey, I don't think my record is going to end anytime
soon," he says. "I know I'm not going to win the race for
mayor. As long as I can get my ideas out there, that's good
enough for me."
JCT: If I said: "I know I'm not going to win..." it was my
error. Had my marijuana move on Parliament Hill not been
suppressed, I'd have gotten a lot more votes than I would be
getting. Had my UNILETS resolution at the UN ever gotten
through, I'd have gotten a lot more. Had the media ever
explained what community currency could do for the voters
and their children, I'd have gotten a lot more. And knowing
that there is always the small long-shot chance of some set
of circumstances occurring where all the truths might get
out, I'm not allowed to say "I have zero chance." I can only
say "I have little chance." I doubt I erred and I think Ron
heard wrong. Regardless, I can handle small probabilities
even if the media would often prefer to label them "zeroes."
RC: Mr. Turmel's ideas are rather grand and may initially
seem out of place in a municipal election. His grandest idea
is a plan to abolish interest rates and set up a quasi-
barter system of international trade and banking. Mr. Turmel
calls it the LETS system, and once gave a presentation at
the UN on the idea.
JCT: Which the UN adopted as Resolution C6 to Governments in
the Millennium Declaration to restructure the global
financial architecture with an interest-free UNILETS
alternative time-based currency. Boy did he ever miss the
story there. It wasn't that I made the presentation, it's
that UNILETS got on the Millennium Declaration. It's like
saying "Turmel made it to the Political Olympics" and forget
to mention that I won.
RC: "It would solve the city's budget problem overnight," he
says. "The Ottawa police, for example, could take a 10-per-
cent cut in pay, and get it back in Chiarelli dollars. You
take the Chiarelli dollars and use them to pay your taxes.
Problem solved." The idea of paying city employees with
Chiarelli dollars just may ensure Mr. Turmel's place in the
Guinness Book of Records in perpetuity.
JCT: Har har har har. One of the best and simplest
explanations and Ron didn't get it. If an Argentinian
farmer's IOUs for grain at the dock can buy GM and Ford
automobiles, trucks and tractors, why would Chiarelli
dollars backed up by all the farmers in Ottawa be worth any
less. Ron's lauching at Chiarelli Dollars and every farmerin
Argentina's lauging at Ron. Anyway, even in trying to
deride LETS, the reversal of the joke serves too. And I'm
not sure how Guinness will record the creation of the
world's first perfect emoney system.
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2) Rogers TV "More-than-1-candidate" debate:
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JCT: On Monday Nov 3, when I got to the Rogers Cable-TV
station for the Ottawa mayoral debate, there was an
incredible number of reporters there. Since it was the only
the face-to-face debate in the whole election and Mayor Bob
Chiarelli had only had to attend a series of 1-candidate
debates, the media had no pictures of him with his
opponents!
I joined the candidates in a special room. Bob was there and
as we bantered, I told him I might beating him up tonight.
He wondered why and I told him I was disappointed that the
community currency is spreading around the world and he's
someone who has heard me explain it longer than anyone in
the world, 25 years. I felt sorry for him when LETS did
arrive. I don't think he ever realized how that software
he'd kept hearing about and that he never checked into
because it was John Turmel's idea was going to come back to
haunt him if it turned out to be the world-winner that I bet
it is.
When we got into the studio, it was packed with
photographers who wanted pictures of all the candidates.
Helps make it look democratic with everone in the picture
even without everyone getting their say.
The panel was made up of media pundits including Steve
Madely, a CFRA who commentator who never understood LETS.
Wasn't going to be an intellectually stimulating show, I'd
bet. The big issue was whether the city can afford
bilingualism. I said we could afford Spanish and Chinese if
we used LETS. All candidates were in favor of affordable
housing though none had any ideas on how to do that. I was
in favor of affordable finance since finance charges cost
twice what the house did. Interest on the mortgage costs
more than the house so rather than concentrate on making the
housing more affordable, I had to concentrate on making the
finance more affordable and no finance system can be more
affordable than the LETS one-time service charge for the
transaction an no longer the ever-time interest charge for
the rent of the money. Since we create our own money.
With only a 1-minute opening to talk about the important
stuff and then most of the show spent on the unimportant
concerns of the financially-ignorant panel, I had to
concentrate on getting people to my website. I pointed out
my bust on Parliament Hill with 7Kg of marijuana for which
I'd be in court on a motion the very next morning. If they
can suppress a story this big that made it around the world,
there must be something pretty big going on.
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3) Citizen Candidate Coverage: The mayoralty sideshow
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O-Train too costly, Kilrea claims
Ottawa Citizen
by Ken Gray
KG: The only debate of the mayoralty campaign was exiled
onto Rogers Cable in Westboro because there was little
interest from the three area television stations. To call it
a debate was a bit of an exaggeration. Candidates were
restricted to short answers and there was no interplay
between the would-be mayors. Mr. Chiarelli, not known for
animation, was the most animated of the group.
John Turmel, a loser in 55 elections and a professional
poker player, brought out the untried and true municipal
currency system in his 56th run for office.
JCT: Tried and trued Argentinian provincial bonds even if
untried and true municipal bonds yet.
KG: He was heard to say entering the studio that he hopes
the gambling vote gets out this year.
JCT: Boy, did he hear wrong. I bemoaned the gambling vote
getting out. The gambler voters are the idiots who fall for
the media's making out to be a horse-race where picking the
winner makes them a winner. That's why a lot of signs are
important in the eyes of the gambler voters. It helps them
pick the winner. It's also why the media is so influential.
It helps them pick the winner.
KG: Mr. Burke, Mr. Bell, and Ms. Nemchin were awkward in the
debate with almost no experience in municipal affairs. Mr.
Turmel chose to not seriously address any issue.
JCT: It's pretty clear that Ken Gray is at the opposite end
of the intellectual spectrum from me. I scored genius in
math and he barely functions. Using Community Currency to
address all issues he deemed "to not serious address" the
problems that were solved. Still, without intellectual
buffoons who speak up in public to profess their ignorance,
these reports would be no fun. That's the problem with a
free press, they're free to give pens to idiots.
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Ottawa Citizen November 4, 2003
This campaign has even more of a circus atmosphere than
usual
Ken Gray, with files from Jake Rupert
KG: Bob Chiarelli, incumbent: The lifelong Ottawa resident
did his undergraduate studies in business administration at
Clarkson University and went to law school at the University
of Ottawa. The 62-year-old mayor practised law with former
MPP Garry Guzzo for 18 years until representing Ottawa West
at Queen's Park for 10 years, beginning in 1987. A father of
six children, the Westboro resident has had a relationship
with documentary filmmaker Randi Hansen for the past three
years.
JCT: And first heard about interest-free financing in 1979
while campaign-manager for Lloyd Francis during my first
race.
KG: Had council decided to ban circuses last year, as it
threatened to do, this mayoralty race might never have
happened -- given the campaign's herd of wild candidates.
JCT: He starts with a general smear, from a guy who's
toughest university journalism was Tape Recorder 101.
KG: Usually it's John Turmel who is the ringmaster of the
bizarre in the fight for mayor. Bedecked in hard hat and
flogging a barter system to replace the economy, Mr. Turmel
holds the Guinness world record for number of runs for
elected office -- 55, all of them losses. The professional
poker player is taking his one-trick-pony platform out on
the hustings again.
JCT: LETS is a powerful charger to carry us to Heaven and he
calls it a one-trick-pony? Same trick wins all pots though.
KG: But this year, Mr. Turmel has company in the big top and
he looks tame compared to at least one of his colleagues.
Donna Upson, a white supremacist who has received campaign
money from supporters of the Ku Klux Klan and the National
Socialist Movement, is wanted in Nova Scotia on three arrest
warrants -- one for failing to appear in court and two for
charges of assault. On Sept. 15, she pleaded guilty to a
breach of probation and served five days in jail and
received 12 months of probation. Her probation office is in
Smiths Falls, where she is believed to be living.
A number of others are taking the election more seriously,
but they, too, are fringe candidates.
JCT: What does "taking more seriously" mean starting with
the context that John Turmel isn't.
KG: Paula Nemchin, who operates a house-cleaning business,
opposes official bilingualism and wants French-language
services only where they are warranted. "I have no
confidence in (Mayor Bob) Chiarelli and his gang," Ms.
Nemchin said. "I want to give Chiarelli a hard time on
this." She says the mayor and his staff have a secret agenda
to promote bilingualism.
KG: And the campaign has a performer. Lucky Ron, a guitar
player from the Chateau Lafayette bar, is on the hustings.
Lucky Ron, also known by his given name, Ron Burke, says
that, with luck, he believes he can get two per cent of the
vote. "It's a darn good foothold for 2006." His chances of
winning are low but his platform is substantial. "I'm
concerned about homeless people and I want to see what I
could do about the problem," Mr. Burke said.
JCT: He certainly going after the same vote I am. I want to
help the homeless with increased funding and Ron wants to
help them by seeing what he can do about it with concern.
KG: He favours more shelters for homeless people and more
comfortable conditions for the elderly ("We're all going to
be elderly one day); safe streets in Hintonburg; and more
facilities for the mentally handicapped.
JCT: Not one of the other candidates favours less shelters
for the homeless; not one of the other candidates favors
less safe streets; and not favour less facilities for the
handicapped. Nor motherhood and apple pie.
KG: John Bell, a 28-year-old high-tech cartographer, is
running because he wants to be "proactive participating in
the electoral process." He believes he has a good chance of
winning in his first time out. Mr. Bell advocates: directing
money to basic services and taking away funding from non-
essential civic pursuits; not putting the city's
bilingualism policy in provincial law; building a good
relationship with the National Capital Commission; and
enacting less social engineering, such as the anti-smoking
bylaw and the campaign against pesticides.
JCT: More motherhood and apple pie though I don't know why
he'd want his neighbor poisoning the neighborhood so he can
have pretty grass.
KG: Ike Awgu is an earnest, well-spoken 20-year-old with no
electoral experience who wants to be mayor. The third-year
economics and law student at Carleton University said a
number of important issues relating to young people aren't
being discussed in the campaign. Among those are voter
apathy, safety in pubs and parks, swarmings and hazards
resulting from overcrowded nightclubs.
JCT: Okay, let's discuss them. Who wants to debate with Ike
the merits of voter apathy? the merits of less safety in
pubs and parks? the merits of more swarmings and hazards
from overcrowded nightclubs? Again, these are all concerns
everyone agrees they all have and everyone agrees with Ike
they know nothing about handling. Let's discuss what about
them? No one to stand up to Ike on these issues? I guess he
wins.
KG: He also supports giving the city five cents a litre in
provincial and federal gas taxes to help solve the municipal
cash crunch.
JCT: So, to save the city taxing us for municipal needs,
he'd prefer the province and the feds tax us and give the
city some. Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Zero sum game. Ike
cannot relieve the tax burden by switching it.
KG: He also backs creating more affordable housing.
JCT: He just doesn't have any new ideas about how to do
that. But like everyone else, except me who wants to focus
on affordable finance, he's in favor of people being housed.
Ike's not afraid to take a stand on the tough issues.
KG: Terry Kilrea is seen as Mr. Chiarelli's toughest
opponent
JCT: Seen by a couple of reporter and editors. Neat way of
misleading, isn't it? It's used all the time. Whenever the
US is supporting a dictator, they say "he is seen as a
modeate." It's not that he is a moderate but they're talking
about being seen by the few guys who support him. It's not
actually lying, it's just leaving out some crucial parts.
KG: -- though in most campaigns, given his minimal electoral
experience, he would be a marginal candidate.
JCT: Yes, a guy who's never done anything in politics in his
life spends a few bucks on signs and "he's seen" as serious
by the media controllers who fix the races.
KG: Mr. Kilrea is an Ontario public servant whose job for
the last 25 years has been enforcing court orders. "I'm just
a normal hard-working guy," Mr. Kilrea said. His biggest
claim to fame is his uncle, Brian, the long-time coach of
the Ottawa 67's. He is taking a tough fiscal message to the
voters. "I think city spending is out of control," Mr.
Kilrea said. "It should be run like a business." He has
proposed a three-year property-tax freeze.
JCT: And he's an expert on finance because....
KG: In addition, he is concerned about divisions on council.
"We must unite the council. We must all work together to
help the taxpayer."
JCT: And since everyone else is against uniting the council
to work together to help the taxpayer... Terry's certainly
not against motherhood and apple pie.
KG: Mr. Kilrea also wants the city to increase its efforts
to sell itself. One of those ways is through the Ottawa
Congress Centre. Mr. Kilrea condemned the mayor for refusing
to contribute to funding the centre's expansion, then flip-
flopping on the issue. Mr. Kilrea also feels strongly about
safe streets and neighbourhoods. He would like to see more
and better-equipped police officers. Mr. Kilrea says 100 new
officers -- funded, as promised, by the provincial Liberals
-- would thwart gangs and swarmings.
JCT: He doesn't have the money but he'll have better time
collecting some out of the Provincial Liberals than Bob, a
former provincial Liberal, will?
KG: "More is always good," said Mr. Kilrea.
JCT: Not being able to figure out how to get more by doing-
it-yourself isn't so good.
KG: [...And a word of warning to potential candidates in the
next mayoralty election. Mr. Chiarelli is keeping his
options open for 2006. His staff members have said they
wouldn't be surprised to see Mr. Chiarelli gear up for
another run.
JCT: I wonder if the feds or the province start up a LETS
funding system first. Then they'll be able to fill the gap
and Bob won't ever have had to actually fill it himself.
Imagine a whole career without ever having gotten it right
ending among everyone else who has? Someday, there might be
a mayor's convention where half of them use LETS timedollars
to cover their short-falls and the other half with Bob
don't.
KG: Part of the mayor's decision will depend on who enters
the field next time out and how much of his major
initiatives -- such as transit and intensification -- can be
completed over the next three years. The mayor pondering
another term will give pause to others of ambition -- such
as councillors Peter Hume, Diane Deans, Jan Harder, Rick
Chiarelli, councillor-turned-university-instructor Alex
Munter and conservative lobbyist Walter Robinson.
Meanwhile, given this year's field, some pundits are
predicting a voter turnout of less than 25 per cent -- a
precipitous dropoff from 2000 when 47 per cent of voters
went to the polls.
JCT: When they suppress the best parts of the show, play on
the dull and dreary, what do they want, high ratings?
KG: Maybe the circus isn't the big draw it once was.
JCT: Or maybe those broadcasting the race are taking all the
sport out of it with their one-sided unfair allocations of
free-time to political candidates.
KG: The Challengers
Terry Kilrea
The 46-year-old is Ottawa born and raised and has lived all
his life in the city. He attended Sir Robert Borden High
School in Nepean and is engaged with no children. Mr. Kilrea
has worked for the province enforcing court orders for 25
years. His only electoral experience is losing a race in
1982 for school-board trustee.
Ike Awgu
The 20-year-old Ottawa-born resident is in his third year of
economics and law at Carleton University. Single with no
children, he was student president at Sir Robert Borden High
School and has worked extensively at the United Way. Mr.
Awgu was a member of the anti-racism board at the Ottawa-
Carleton District School Board.
Donna Upson
The 25-year-old said she would ease the tax burden by having
churches do more of the work now done by the city. The two-
year Ottawa-area resident said she is in sales -- making her
own crafts and selling them. She has set up a Canadian
branch of the National Socialist Movement, a white
supremacist group.
JCT: I think I ran so he could face Upson. That would have
been fun. An old tough-looking white racist with no
solutions against a young well-suited black anti-racist with
no solutions. Or maybe Ike just ran so he might solve
something if he ever figures something out. The standard
"good intentions, no ideas right now" rationale.
KG: Paula Nemchin
The 57-year-old was born in Timmins, Ont., but has lived in
Ottawa for 34 years. She has a Grade 10 education, is single
and has five children. Ms. Nemchin runs a house-cleaning
business and ran for mayor in 2000.
JCT: I just can't imagine what she's doing in here.
KG: John Turmel
Mr. Turmel was born in Rouyn, Que., but has lived most of
his life in Ottawa. The 52-year-old is a Byward Market-area
resident and is single. Mr. Turmel has a bachelor's degree
in electrical engineering from Carleton University and is
now a professional poker player. He has run 55 times for
elected office.
JCT: I'd asked that they put my website. But I guess not.
KG: John Bell
The high-tech cartographer was born in Elora, Ont. The
single, 28-year-old has a diploma in geographic information
systems from Algonquin College and has lived in Ottawa for
five years. This is his first time running for public
office.
Ron Burke
Mr. Burke is a guitar player and singer at the Chateau
Lafayette. He performs under the stage name Lucky Ron,
playing country classics. The 48-year-old was born in Ottawa
and attended high school here. A lifelong resident of the
city, he is married and works for a property management
company.
JCT: So there's Turmel with my LETS, Bob with his machine,
and a whole bunch of concerned citizens who think good
intentions is enough to want to pilot the ship of state.
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4) Kyle Gascoigne: Questions
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>Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 16:10:47 -0500
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kyle Gascoigne)
>Subject: 2003 Ottawa Mayoral Election
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Hello Mr. Turmel,
After watching the mayoral debate on the Roger's public
access channel I'd like to ask you a couple of questions
about your election platform.
Your solution for most of the city's financial problems lies
with the creation of municipal bonds which, if I have
gathered from your website, would be offered as non-interest
collecting bonds that would come in regular demoninations to
be used only within the limits of the "New City of Ottawa".
JCT: No, anyone having to do business with any citizen of
Ottawa will take them. In Ithaca, people from towns all
around Ithaca Hours ($10US=1Hour) knowing everyone else
takes them too. Just as if all stores also accepted Canadian
Tire Dollars. It doesn't just have to be at Canadian Tire.
K: However, by setting the interest rate of the bonds at
zero, the effect of these bonds is that the monitary supply
around the city would increase. In effect, wouldn't that
mearly serve to increase the inflation rate in the city
either as the value of the bonds decrease because of the
uselessness of the the bonds outside of the city or by the
increased spending taking place as the increased monitary
supply takes hold?
JCT: The inflation you describe is Inflation Shift A, more
money chasing the goods backing it up. Everyone's seen the
Great German inflation with people pushing wheelbarrows of
too-much money to stores with empty shelves. More money
chasing the goods. But given the evidence of stores with
full shelves and people with insufficient money to buy
everything with, I'm the discoverer of Inflation Shift B,
the same money chasing less goods backing it up. See easy
analysis at http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/biglie.htm and
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/bankmath.htm for full.
K: Also on the topic of interest rates don't they also serve
a purpose (besides being used as a tool of central banks to
limit the inflation rate...even though there is another
method to which this could be accomplished) as a method of
offsetting the inherent risk involved in lending money in
the form of a captial investment or a mortgage?
JCT: I don't care what purpose (pretext; cover story) you've
been led to believe they serve. People ending up killing
themselves over not enough money in the mort-gage death-
gamble and whatever purpose you may think is served cannot
balance the starvation and strife it causes.
K: I'd appreciate your views on these subjects, and good
luck with your campaign. Thank you, Kyle Gascoigne
JCT: In the almost 2 decades of operation of LETS around the
world, no one has ever lost a credit that they cannot
recoup. No one has stolen a credit that cannot be recoupped.
No one has been denied the chance to trade employment for
lack of medium of exchange. Almost 2 decades of flawless
performance, as flawless as any bicycle, no matter how many
were induced to ride it backwards until they fell. They can
always get back up.
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5) Russell McOrmond: Not worth my time
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>Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 13:47:53 -0500 (EST)
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Russell McOrmond)
>Subject: Ottawa Election: Electoral reform question &
>Free/Libre and Open
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RM: Note: This message is copied to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
which means it is being archived at
http://www.flora.org/flora.action-forum/ for public viewing.
In any replies please indicate whether it can be made public
as I host a popular weblog that I would like to post answers
to this important question. If you copy to action-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I will accept that as a confirmation that
your reply should be made public.
JCT: No one has caused more trouble for LETS in Ottawa than
Russell McOrmond. He got LETS to condemn me for telling a
high-school class that the System of Trading Employment
Locally could create jobs that would lessen youth suicides.
Imagine him getting Ottawa LETS to attack me for having
stated the truth.
So I only warn you that this guy's not playing with a full
deck and I have no interest in responding to his concerns.
Just to warn people that he hurt Ottawa LETS bad and has
helped keep my home-town LETS about as useless as he and
Terry Cottam could.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Transferable_Vote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_past_the_post
For Canada-wide support for electoral reform, see
http://www.fairvotecanada.org/
Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: http://www.flora.ca
Governance software that controls ICT, automates government
policy, or electronically counts votes, shouldn't be bought
any more than politicians should be bought. --
http://www.flora.ca/russell/
JCT: As if I'd trust this bent individual in charge of my
election software when I don't even trust the Diebold
software they used to fix US elections. But this guy's sick.
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6) John Hogg: Municipal Property Assessment Corporation
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>Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:16:50 -0500
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hogg)
>Subject: Municipal Property Assessment Corporation
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Turmel
Candidate for Mayor, Ottawa
I'm puzzled by the lack of attention being placed on
property assessment during this election. The foundation of
property taxes is the property assessment and little
attention is being paid to the quality, cost and
transparency by which municipalities receive this service.
MPAC (Municipal Property Assessment Corporation) is the
legislated monopoly providing all assessment services to
Ontario's municipalities at more than $146 million or $34.44
per property in 2002. Earlier this year about 200 MFOA
(Municipal Finance Officers Association) members responded
to a survey and suggested MPAC services were less than
average and getting worse.
Countless municipalities throughout North America receive
this service in an open competitive and transparent process
from the private sector for about half of MPAC's cost.
As Mayor for Ottawa will you encourage Ottawa Council to
pass a resolution supporting private sector participation in
Ontario's property assessment industry?
John Hogg Toll Free: 1-866-256-9104
JCT: First of all, I'll admit that I'm not too worried about
minor trickles of money wasted in such ways when I'm more
worried about the rivers of money wasted paying interest we
could save. If you've identified even a stream that could be
saved, wonderful. But I'm battling to divert a river of
interest from the pockets of the rich to our own. Think
about it.
How would a resolution supporting private sector
participation in Ontario's property assessment industry help
and how would a resolution condemning it hurt?
--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-756-1325 USENET: can.politics
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