Re: LETS, Ecology and Debt.

To be honest bob, your post is not worth the ammo.

dp

"bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Dan Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Tim Worstall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Crash) wrote in message
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> > > > in sci.environment,sci.econ,talk.environment
> > > >  In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >  On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 02:42:49 GMT, Crash said about:
> > > >  the Root Cause of Environmental Degradation.
> > > >
> > > > > All major environmental problems are driven
> > > > > by the economy.[1]  (Ecology and Economics have
> > > > > the same root word, eco...home. )
> > > > >
> > > > > Any activity involves some resource consumption.
> > > > > We all need to consume food, fuel and other perishable goods.
> > > >
> > > > These threads are going beyond my
> > > > intended scope. Many things are beyond me.
> > > >
> > > > Back to environment and debt.
> > > > (Loose language to save a ton of typing.)
> > > >
> > > > "To produce" is the flip side of
> > > > the coin "to consume."  With the rare
> > > > exception of such things as true creativity
> > > > and what some rare farmers do, "production" and
> > > > "consumption" are of one and the same coin.
> > > > Like two ends of an eating animal.
> > > >
> > > > To a large degree, GDP is amount of nature
> > > > (...al resources) we are turning into garbage.
> > >
> > >
> > > This is untrue. So therefore all the rest of your idea is.
> > > GDP ( or GNP if you prefer ) is the value added in the economy.
> >
> > It is the amount of money that circulates, not value.  Put twice
> > as many low paid or unemployed people in jail, and hire
> > twice as many guards, and the GDP will go up. There is
> > not more value in this.
> >
> > The monetary system is based on fraud and just
> > about everything around this is based on idiocy,
> > and lies.
> >
> > http://www.globaljusticemovement.org/subpages_gwa/gpi_part1.htm
> >
> > Having entered the third millennium, new ideas are emerging on how to
overcome:
>
> From the Statement of Shared Vision on the site:
>
> Having entered the third millennium, new ideas are emerging on how to
> overcome:
>
> - Widespread poverty, hunger and homelessness,
>
> We could stop sending food and medical supplies to some of the nations
> that have population problems.
>
> - The growing wealth gap between the richest 1% and the remaining 99%
> of humanity,
>
> Are you planning to teach people to be better at the game or, more
> likely, do you plan to take away from the rich and give to the poor?
>
> Why are you folks hiding behind the name global justice anyway?
>
> - The growing fear of technological change and its impact on the
> global environment and the quality of life at the family and community
> level,
>
> People are afraid of technological change? Quality of life at a family
> level is something each family should manage.
>
> - The rising sense of powerlessness and alienation among the young
> toward traditional leadership and basic institutions of human society,
>
> Voting works for me. Powerlessness and alienation. Whatever. Many
> young people want to feel alienated. It's part of the rebellion thing.
>
> - The growing levels of corruption and crime resulting from
> concentrated power,
>
> Corruption and crime have been part of societies since societies
> started.
>
> - The proliferating violence and deprivation of human rights -- at the
> family, community and global levels.
>
> You forgot stuff about aliens, world killing asteriods, and acne.