Re: Hot Water from Superheat of GWHP

"Marshall Dudley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Noon-Air wrote:
>
> > "Marshall Dudley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > TURTLE wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Marshall Dudley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > This is Turtle.
> > > >
> > > > What you have just told us is You , Your son , the hvac installer ,
and
> > the
> > > > plumber don't have the reading skills to read the installation
> > instruction
> > > > and install it correctly.
> > >
> > > Nope, I installed it properly, that is not an issue. I simply asked if
it
> > was
> > > working right, and as it turns out is is in spec. It just did not do
as
> > well as
> > > I had hoped.

Then, in all rights, its not installed correctly. Period.

I can go put in a 1.5 ton unit on a home that needs 5 tons. It will work. It
will work as designed for THAT UNIT, but being as the wrong installation was
done, it was, installed incorrectly.

> >
> > As it appears that this is the first time you have done this, how do you
> > *know* that it was installed properly??
>
> Because I can read and follow instructions, and it is working within spec.
It
> isn't hard to install, time consuming, but virtually brain dead easy to
do.

Brain Dead Easy......so is electron movement. But so many people die each
year messing with that...shame...

>
> > How do you *know* that its working
> > right??
>
> Because all the measurements I have made conform to the specs the
manufacturer
> gave me almost exactly.

ALMOST???
Bingo.

>
> > How do you *know* its working in spec?? Have you done a finite
> > quantitative analsys of the system(s)?? What instruments were used??
What
> > readings were taken and logged??
>
> Time is accurate to the second, temperatures are accurate to within a
degree F.
> Time and temperatures were taken and logged daily,   The thermostat gives
the
> information on how many hours it ran per day.

What a freaking joke.
Thats like telling someone that just told you that your car isnt running
right, with oil smoke pouring out the back, that its running right, since it
got you from point A to B.

>
> Finite quantitative analysis. You have got to be kidding.  If I had gotten
> results within 10% I would have felt it was working within the expected
> tolerances, but getting within about 2%, I am not going to go to that much
> trouble unless I were designing the system and planning on selling them.

Not using the methods you mentioned above...Pauls right..you are full of
shit.

>
> >
> >
> > > The HVAC company said they do not do plumbing and that has nothing to
do
> > with
> > > reading.
> >
> > My dentist doesn't do proctology either.
>
> Exactly.  There are licencing requirements that simply cannot be ignored.

Like...what about that requirement that states you have to be licenced to
install?

>
> >
> >
> > > The electrician does not do plumbing either, it has to do with their
> > > area of expertise and licensing requirements.

So why didnt the installer stick to low voltage wiring?

> >
> > True
> >
> > > Now as far as the first plumber
> > > he hired to do the job, I do have suspicions he might not have been
able
> > to
> > > read, but that is beside the point.
> >
> > It it?? would it be because he was the lowest bidder??
>
> Probably, he was the one that our contractor got when he started the
house. But
> after the contractor was fired and we were stuck with the guy.


LOL..I call big ole BULLSHIT.

>
> >
> > > > Until you can get someone that can read the
> > > > installation instructions , Your dead in the water till this
happens.
> > Your
> > > > asking for use over the internet to pull a rabbit out of the hat and
> > make it
> > > > work is really not possible .
> > > >
> > >
> > > You are right, it will not perform beyond it's specs. I did not expect
it
> > to, I
> > > just wanted to know if it was working as it was suppose to, and it is
as
> > it
> > > turns out.
> >
> > Are you sure??
>
> Yes, we finally got a few cold days, and the water temperature is not very
hot,
> with no additional heating from anywhere except a pilot light.

Other than the few times you were not around and it fired and ran....

>
> >
> >
> > > > You need to look in the yellow pages to find a hvac installer
company
> > that
> > > > the tech's can read and call them to finish up the project.
> > > >
> > > > One hint before I go. The heat that you get from the hvac system is
only
> > > > supplimental heat and 99% of the time it will never heat the water
up
> > enough
> > > > [ by it'self ] to take a bath. Now if the weather outside is about
90ºf
> > to
> > > > 100ºf it might heat up the water somewhat , but never to get real
hot
> > water
> > > > by it'self. the big thing is the size of the tanks and getting
enough of
> > > > heat to heat them up.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Finally an answer to the question to some extent.
> > >
> > > So this begs the questions.  If you have to use the gas to heat the
water,
> > then
> > > when does the supplemental come in. The gas will heat it to the
termostat
> > > setting in less than an hour, but it take hours or days for the HVAC
to
> > heat it
> > > sufficiently on mild days.
> >
> > This begs another question.....What has the supply house where you
bought
> > this stuff had to say about it??
>
> What supply house. I have no idea what you are talking about.

This is getting to be hilarious.

>
> > Did said supply house have somebody they
> > could recommend that had experience with this type of system??
>
> The purchase was not made from a supply house, it was installed by a
factory
> authorized dealer.


WAIT...

You said YOU installed it...now, in one sentence, you say, it was not
purchased from a supply house, it was installed (key word there) by a
factory authorized dealer.

Ok..lets explain something..it WAS purchased from a supply house. I am a
"factory authorized dealer" for my brand of units, and guess what fella?
They come from a supply house, who is a factory authorized supply center.

>
> Apparently you have a difficult time with comprehension.


And you have a very difficult time keeping your story straight.
Paul was right...

>
> Marshall
>
> >
> >
> > > Most of the time the hot water will be at the thermostat setting when
the
> > HVAC
> > > is running. So will it be raising it even higher, or doing nothing?  I
can
> > find
> > > nothing about this interplay in anything I have read.  Also I still
have
> > no idea
> > > what limit the HVAC heating will reach on water temperature, will it
keep
> > adding
> > > heat until something gives, or will it top out, and if so, typically
at
> > what
> > > temperature?  It seems that putting the two in series as the Carrier
> > manual
> > > suggested makes a lot of sense.
> > >
> > > Marshall
> > >
> > > >
> > > > TURTLE
> > >
>