Re: Hot Water from Superheat of GWHP

Noon-Air wrote:

> "Marshall Dudley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > TURTLE wrote:
> >
> > > "Marshall Dudley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >
> > > This is Turtle.
> > >
> > > What you have just told us is You , Your son , the hvac installer , and
> the
> > > plumber don't have the reading skills to read the installation
> instruction
> > > and install it correctly.
> >
> > Nope, I installed it properly, that is not an issue. I simply asked if it
> was
> > working right, and as it turns out is is in spec. It just did not do as
> well as
> > I had hoped.
>
> As it appears that this is the first time you have done this, how do you
> *know* that it was installed properly??

Because I can read and follow instructions, and it is working within spec.  It
isn't hard to install, time consuming, but virtually brain dead easy to do.

> How do you *know* that its working
> right??

Because all the measurements I have made conform to the specs the manufacturer
gave me almost exactly.

> How do you *know* its working in spec?? Have you done a finite
> quantitative analsys of the system(s)?? What instruments were used?? What
> readings were taken and logged??

Time is accurate to the second, temperatures are accurate to within a degree F.
Time and temperatures were taken and logged daily,   The thermostat gives the
information on how many hours it ran per day.

Finite quantitative analysis. You have got to be kidding.  If I had gotten
results within 10% I would have felt it was working within the expected
tolerances, but getting within about 2%, I am not going to go to that much
trouble unless I were designing the system and planning on selling them.

>
>
> > The HVAC company said they do not do plumbing and that has nothing to do
> with
> > reading.
>
> My dentist doesn't do proctology either.

Exactly.  There are licencing requirements that simply cannot be ignored.

>
>
> > The electrician does not do plumbing either, it has to do with their
> > area of expertise and licensing requirements.
>
> True
>
> > Now as far as the first plumber
> > he hired to do the job, I do have suspicions he might not have been able
> to
> > read, but that is beside the point.
>
> It it?? would it be because he was the lowest bidder??

Probably, he was the one that our contractor got when he started the house. But
after the contractor was fired and we were stuck with the guy.

>
> > > Until you can get someone that can read the
> > > installation instructions , Your dead in the water till this happens.
> Your
> > > asking for use over the internet to pull a rabbit out of the hat and
> make it
> > > work is really not possible .
> > >
> >
> > You are right, it will not perform beyond it's specs. I did not expect it
> to, I
> > just wanted to know if it was working as it was suppose to, and it is as
> it
> > turns out.
>
> Are you sure??

Yes, we finally got a few cold days, and the water temperature is not very hot,
with no additional heating from anywhere except a pilot light.

>
>
> > > You need to look in the yellow pages to find a hvac installer company
> that
> > > the tech's can read and call them to finish up the project.
> > >
> > > One hint before I go. The heat that you get from the hvac system is only
> > > supplimental heat and 99% of the time it will never heat the water up
> enough
> > > [ by it'self ] to take a bath. Now if the weather outside is about 90ºf
> to
> > > 100ºf it might heat up the water somewhat , but never to get real hot
> water
> > > by it'self. the big thing is the size of the tanks and getting enough of
> > > heat to heat them up.
> > >
> >
> > Finally an answer to the question to some extent.
> >
> > So this begs the questions.  If you have to use the gas to heat the water,
> then
> > when does the supplemental come in. The gas will heat it to the termostat
> > setting in less than an hour, but it take hours or days for the HVAC to
> heat it
> > sufficiently on mild days.
>
> This begs another question.....What has the supply house where you bought
> this stuff had to say about it??

What supply house. I have no idea what you are talking about.

> Did said supply house have somebody they
> could recommend that had experience with this type of system??

The purchase was not made from a supply house, it was installed by a factory
authorized dealer.

Apparently you have a difficult time with comprehension.

Marshall

>
>
> > Most of the time the hot water will be at the thermostat setting when the
> HVAC
> > is running. So will it be raising it even higher, or doing nothing?  I can
> find
> > nothing about this interplay in anything I have read.  Also I still have
> no idea
> > what limit the HVAC heating will reach on water temperature, will it keep
> adding
> > heat until something gives, or will it top out, and if so, typically at
> what
> > temperature?  It seems that putting the two in series as the Carrier
> manual
> > suggested makes a lot of sense.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> > >
> > > TURTLE
> >