Re: Bury the Truth/Greed Rules

fkasner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Jed Checketts wrote:
> > Don Lancaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > 
> >>If that system returned a net energy gain, it would, of course have had
> >>to clearly pay for the researcher's salaries and benefits as well as the
> >>facility use.
> > 
> > 
> > Many times research in the oil industry for such things as sulfur
> > removal can cost millions of dollars before even 1 gallon of gasoline
> > is produced by the facility.  Would you then claim that the true cost
> > of this gallon of gasoline is a million dollars or would it be
> > averaged over the next several years as production is ramped up?  Of
> > course not! The truth is that investments in plants, technologies, and
> > infrastructure are amortized into the balance of plant numbers.
> > 
> > Volume is critical.  Jennifer Zink, a researcher with HRL Laboratories
> > in Malibu, California informs me that large volume production of solar
> > panels is required to lower the cost for solar power to the cost for
> > gasoline.
> > 
> > It is simply a matter of national priorities.  Do we want energy
> > policies which are fixated on oil coming from a few holes in the
> > ground located in hot spots on the planet, or do we want an energy
> > policy which is based upon a mixture of intelligent and sustainable
> > energy technologies from wind to biomass to solar energy?  Once the
> > reasons for moving towards a more sensible mixture of technologies are
> > laid out and logically discussed by the scientific community, these
> > decisions for our energy direction can be made.  As it stands, the
> > Republican based administration headed by Mr. Bush and Cheney is
> > leading us down the yellow brick road of hydrocarbons headed to OZ. 
> > Perhaps his strategy will help him get elected for another 4 years. 
> > However, OZ is the end of the yellow brick road and this is where
> > people actually learn about Depletion.  We are using oil at a rate
> > more than 1 million times faster than it was produced via natural
> > processes by earth.  We are also using more oil each year than we are
> > finding. This is simply not sustainable, and with more than 55% of all
> > oil used in the United States being imported, it is unwise.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >>If it didn't it was just a net energy sink scam like the all of rest of
> >>them.
> > 
> > 
> > NO.  The biggest energy sink is sending our young men and women to die
> > in Iraq along with $87 billion dollars.  We can do MUCH better than
> > this.
> > 
> > 
> >>One of the largest pv demos ever did not generate enough energy to run
> >>the air conditioning in the control building.
> > 
> > 
> > Again, you are very misinformed. The air conditioning system
> > throughout the Los Angeles based Audobahn society is entirely powered
> > by solar thermal air conditioning systems.  It is entirely off-grid.
> > 
> > Your logic is so misconstrued that it would be like me telling you
> > that once I burned up an entire tank of gasoline in my car without
> > travelling even 1 foot forwards and that this conclusively prooves how
> > inneficient gasoline is as a fuel.
> > 
> > Perhaps your problem, Mr. Lancaster, is that you see what you WANT to
> > see.  If you have some preconceived notion about the illegitimacy of
> > renewable energy sources from solar thermal air conditioning systems,
> > to hot water systems, to electrical solar panels then you may be
> > personally TRYING to find the very worst examples.  Open your mind
> > just a bit.  Talk to people in the industry who are knowledgeable and
> > who can help you.  The University of California at San Luis Obispo
> > Engineering Department may be a good place to start.  Tour the
> > Audobahn Society building in Los Angeles.  There are people out here,
> > myself included, who are trying to make a positive difference.  It is
> > your negative attitude that is preventing you from seeing how solar,
> > biomass, and a number of alternative fuel technologies can play a
> > positive role in our energy future.  No wonder why you find an example
> > of solar energy which fits in with your premolded view of how the
> > world is or even should be!  The truth of the matter is that there are
> > a number of solar thermal installations around the world which are
> > capable of powering much more than just the control room.  Many of the
> > installations are capable of running separate from the grid. Peak load
> > shaving is also featured along with distributed generation.  You will
> > find a whole new world of options around you if you will but remove
> > your blinders.  You tunnel vision is becoming blatantly obvious and
> > extremely embarrasing as you continue to post to the hydrogen news
> > group.
> > 
> > But make no mistake about MY position.  I believe that a continued
> > reliance on hydrocarbon fuels is bad for the environment and bad for
> > geopolitical stability.
> > 
> > 
> > Because I have spent a lot of time with actual hydrogen sytems, actual
> > fuel cell sytems and companies and real solar installations, solar
> > thermal air conditioning projects and other energy related
> > technologies and a lot of time with the men and women who are working
> > in these industries, I am in a position to tell you that sustainable
> > energy technologies can play an important role in our energy future as
> > a nation. I am also in a position to tell you that you seriously need
> > some additional education in the whole area of energy policy as you
> > continually degrade the quality and accuracy of this newsgroup with
> > your posts.
> > 
> > Jed Checketts
> > West Covina, CA
> > 626-581-7119
> 
> 
> Shame on you, Jed Cheketts! You have dishonored yourself repeatedly by 
> mindlessly and ignorantly accepting the mistaken claims of hucksters and 
> supporting them yourself. Your dishonorable lies on this NG in the past 
> has disqualified you for any shred of reasonable consideration. You lied 
> repeatedly from almost the beginning of your time on this NG. There are 
> still many of us who remember how you made yourself unacceptable from 
> the beginning.
> FK

You missed a "c" in my last name, Mr. Kasner.
And since when is the University of California at San Luis Obispo
considered to be on your "huckster" list?  Have you even done any
research at that University and/or are you even aware of all of the
state of the art solar research being done at the University?


Jed Checketts
West Covina, CA