Re: TOBS: Apes Built the Pyramids

On 14 Nov 2003 16:12:36 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JaBrIoL)
wrote:



>I sometimes have to reverse engineer and end of life product. Many
>time I ask the same question...Why was the device is designed in a
>certain fashion, it would be more efficient designed another way. 

By analogy - are you are positing an imperfect designer for the
life we see to exist, or to have existed in the past on the
planet?

 
>> >the Universe is immense.. How do you know, that the designer has done
>> >just as you suggest on different planes of existence.
>> 
>> 
>> We do not know. I am trying to evaluate your posited designer
>> based on what we can see around us. 
>> 
>> 
>
>do you not see desin in nature? or is everything you see is based on
>chance accidents per evolution?


I do not see design in nature, other than in what nature has done
within the boundaries imposed upon her by the fundamental
constants. 

Chance accidents are just as much a part of nature as everything
else. Contrary to Einstein's denial of the fact, God does indeed
play dice.


>> >here a clue..
>> >
>> >why did the Concorde flight ended?
>> 
>> 
>> What has this got to do with similarities in creature design?
>> 
>> Stelios
>
>A lot. here was a  Jet, that was the top of rapid transport
>technology.
>you get from point A to Point b very fast in comparison to other
>conventional jet's... yet because of it demise, we can now called it a
>failure.
>
>why? nothing was wrong with its design...
>It was because it was not cost effective. It serve no real purpose. 
>In Nature all around us, every living thing serve a purpose... we
>might not like it.. but it does.

Purpose is a strange word to use, because it gives humanity too
much importance when the argument of purpose is reduced to
ascribing purposes which suit us to natural events which would
happen just as readily were we not here to see them. 

I do not think the analogy of the machines we see around us
("concorde") is a good analogy for the natural world as it a
priori implies a designer when an improvement or replacement is
brought into service in Concorde's niche. 

This would imply frequent intervention over the last 4.5 billion
years from the deity/designer, something which does not tally
with the evidence we see around us. 

If you want, feel free to take this dialogue to e-mail so we
don't clutter up the newsfeed.

Best wishes, 
Stelios
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