Re: TOBS: Apes Built the Pyramids

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Budikka) wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> "jabriol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > "Kronk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > On 7 Nov 2003 09:40:05 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JaBrIoL) wrote:
>  
> > > Let me try a variation on Mekkala's question.  How similar must two
> > > forms be in order for you to consider them one form?  Do you consider
> > > the African elephant and the Indian elephant to be one form or two?
> > 
> > can the the two interbreed?
> 
> What difference would that make to you?  There is more genetic
> difference between the African and Indian elephants than there is
> betweeen humans and chimpanzees from what I've read.  I've told you
> this before but as usual, you ran away from it like a frightened
> child.


Not at all.. the moment you behave like an arrogant SOB.. I snip the
rest
since your reply is half decent I will reply.
first I did not know about about the major difference between the two
elephants.
second, you still not provide the answer I seek. Can they interbreed?
Many species of animals can produce hybrids like a wolf and a husky..
etc.

> 
> > that is my point.... Science is claiming that these faulty remants are 100%
> > accurate evolved superapes, and there  no tangible evidence except a few
> > bones and much imagination and speculation, that can not be falsified, or
> > reproduce in a lab.
> 
> Going by your criteria, no crime would ever be solved unless it was
> witnessed as it occurred.  The way crimes are solved is by looking at
> the evidence and piecing it together - recreating the past from the
> evidence available in the present.  This is also the way paleontology
> works.

You forget, that sometimes evidence in a crime is misleading or
misinterpreted, which leads to the release of innocent people wrongly
accused and incarcerated.
Paleontology should recognized this as well.

> 
> A trail of bones and skulls showing slow development from more
> ape-like forms to more humanlike forms over the last several million
> years is a fact.  Human-ape genetic similarity is a fact
> (http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html).  We even have the same
> errors in our genetic make-up that chimpanzees have
> (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/).


The similiarity is a fact, nobody doubt this... and yet we are half
banana's right?

face it all living creatures are similar to each other.

> 
> Is that evidence of design or of evolution?  Stop asking the same dumb
> questions over and over and over again, Jabriol, and answer a few for
> a change.
> 
> Unless you have those several million years to observe, and a time
> machine to go back in, all you can look at is the evidence available
> today, and the evidence clearly says evolution.  This is a fact.
> 
> If you have a better alternative, why don't you post it?  I'll tell
> everyone the reason you do not post it: you endlessly ask the same
> vacuous questions that you were asking in 1998 precisely because you
> have no alternative.  All you can do is whine like a baby because you
> can't win and you know it.  What you need to do is learn how to deal
> with defeat.
> 
> > I think what we need to see is evolution in action, in the sense, that we
> > can use the scientific method to confirm that evolution is the origin of
> > man.
> 
> Well duhh!  It's been done.  Evolution has also been observed in the
> lab and in the wild.  Speciation has been observed.
> 
> > unless an organism was design to change, but there is a limit to the change.
> 
> Then define what this limit is and how it works.  If you cannot, all
> you have here is your usual unsupported, empty, meaningless
> high-school level argument from incredulity.
> 
> > > >that happen today, but does  sepcies of a rodent becomes a hominid?
> 
> Rodents and hominids have common ancestors, as genetics shows
> (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2536501.stm "...mice share at
> least 80% of their genes, with only 300 unique to either organism...".
> 
> I have repeatedly asked you to answer this question: what mechanism
> could prevent something akin to a mouse changing 300 genes over 60
> million years to become either human or a modern mouse?  And as usual,
> you have run away from it.
> 
> Now here you are asking the same pointless question of someone else. 
> Why do you repeatedly ask the same questions if you either do not want
> an answer or cannot comprehend the answers you get?  What is the point
> of your existence, Jabriol if all you are doing is running around in
> ever decreasing circles?
> 
> > scientific muster is not the same as the scientific method.
> 
> You are completely clueless as to what the scientific method is and
> also as to what evolution is.  Learn those things first, then you
> might conceivably be in a position to discuss them.
> 
> > yet these animals do not change their form. I like to use the pitbull as an
> > example. Man intervention brought on the Pitbull.
> 
> Human breeding of animals over the last few thousand years has not
> been in an attempt to make a new species.  Humans have persistently
> tried to breed the best **within a species**.  It is not completely
> the same thing as evolution.  Can you at least grasp that simple
> concept?
> 
> > His intervention brought
> > on the killer bee. Yet, the Bee is still an insect and the Pitt is still a
> > dog.
> 
> And you are still clueless.  So what?
> 
> > Their behaviour and intinct are predicitable. Funny, when I say this
> > about humans and behaviour.. more so negative trait. People goes nuts..
> > which was why  this subject would be banned on Talk.Origins
> 
> If you are banned it's because you are a clueless, tedious,
> repetitively cross-posting nuisance who cannot learn, not because you
> have anything useful to say or any new or interesting arguments to
> make.  You are still posting the same dismal drivel you were posting
> back in '98.  Is it any surprise you are shunned and derided?  I have
> been trying to steer you away from that freight train since August and
> here we are several months later and you are running away from me like
> St. Peter ran away from the Romans.  Unfortunately, you are running
> right into the path of the freight train.
> 
> > I proposed a hybrid ape, I called it the manpanzee. A human-bonobo hybrid.
> > this might be something I would accept..
> 
> Humans are a hybrid ape.  We became one when chromosome two got fused.
>  Deal with it.
> 
> Budikka