Re: Gravitation and Maxwell's Electrodynamics, BOUNDARY CONDITIONS

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> Dear Sergey Karavashkin:
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> > > > I always wonder, how do you confuse yourself by substituting the
> > > > statement of problem by the desirable model. What concern
> > > > RC-oscillator has here? The wave model of photoeffect is based on
> > >
> > > Stop there.
> > >
> > > RC circuit has what for a frequency threshold?  As frequency is
>  increased,
> > > what does the amplitude in an RC circuit do?  What is the resonant
> > > frequency of an RC circuit?
> > >
> > > There is no parallel.
> >
> > Regrettably, you began confusing some things. First, where have you
> > seen in my text that RC-circuit has any relation to the frequency
> > threshold in photoeffect? This is Sean's model, and before stopping
> > me, it would be nice of you to read my respond to Sean. ;-)
> 
> Sorry.  If that is not the model being discussed, then I need have no part
> in it.  See the title of the thread.
> 
> > Second, Aleksandr's and Sean's models differ much. Factually,
> > Aleksandr uses the terminology of RC-circuit as an analogy, in order
> > to get a simpler approach to mathematics, since vibration processes
> > have been better studied in theory of electric circuits than in
> > mechanics. Though he very soon will run there into a barrier connected
> > with the fact that you all don't know our methodology. ;-)
> >
> > Third, the analogy between dynamical mechanical systems and electric
> > circuits exists, we have it developed. Should you really want to know
> > something, you wouldn't be lazy to look through the paper which I
> > referred you to.
> 
> Then I'll ask you for the second time... provide the link please.
> 
> > Maybe, then you would have less questions - though,
> > as I see, you all weren't told at the universities about vibration
> > systems more than pendulums. On one hand, your teachers don't know
> > more, and on the other, lest to overload your self-confidence - and
> > for sex you needn't more! (Perhaps this is why such professors as
> > Stephen Speicher so much like Russian girls which know some more about
> > vibration systems). ;-)
> >
> > Fourth, you are asking Aleksandr of the feedback in parametric
> > oscillator. First answer you yourself (not me - I know): what's the
> > difference between the active filter and auto-oscillator? ;-) And
> > where from appear vibrations in auto-oscillator when it's switched on
> > and due to what one or several fixed frequencies are selected from the
> > spectrum of noise? ;-) When you understand these issues, you will be
> > able to answer yourself all your questions. ;-)
> 
> Like "when will Sergey get to the point"?  The title is boundary
> conditions.

" The title is boundary conditions. "

Any nonlinear processes are intimately interlinked 
to BOUNDARY CONDITIONS and concepts of NATURAL or IMPROPER SPACES.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=e16a4a22.0304170521.13e4480f%40posting.google.com

    "PROPER" or "NATURAL" SPACE
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    The electrodynamics figures phenomena in " ANOTHER'S SPACES "
Look at natural oscillations of a string with anchored ends . 
The shape of natural standing oscillations of a string does not 
depend on the velocity rate of propagation of waves of elasticity 
in the material of a string, for any string the shape of standing 
waves is same. You instantaneously will claim that you can 
calculate the velocity of waves of elasticity utillizing the 
oscillation frequency of the string or elastic plate. I propose 
the opposite; we have considered waves in "another's" spaces, 
and these waves do not have energy sufficient for fracture of 
"another's" space. Any electromagnetic waves are always spread 
in "another's" spaces, i.e. in "spaces" which are generated by 
nonelectromagnetic interaction of substance. 
    Maxwell's electrodynamics are not applicable for the 
description of physical processes inside master cells, which 
pluralities create "another's" space in which Maxwell 
electrodynamics already becomes applicable. Fundamental 
physical principle is that the Maxwell electrodynamics is 
applicable only in "another's" spaces, since the Maxwell 
electrodynamics demands the assignment of boundary CONDITIONS. 
    THE BOUNDARY CONDITIONS are a latent electrodynamic postulate 
about physical existence " of ANOTHER'S SPACE " in which the 
electromagnetic phenomena are carried out.
    The concept of boundary CONDITIONS cannot be eliminated 
from electrodynamics.


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Maxwell's electrodynamics is a theory about dynamic processes 
in " ANOTHER'S SPACES ". 
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    "PROPER" or "NATURAL" SPACE of gravitational systems
=============================================================

    The physical gravitational analog of the electrodynamic 
concept of boundary CONDITIONS does not exist for Solar system. 
>From my point of view just this physical fact ruins any 
theoretical attempts at proof of the steadiness and stability 
of the Solar system undertaken by physicists until now. 
On the other hand, there are phenomenological proofs of 
steadiness and stability of the Solar system. This fact yields 
the basis for the assumption, that the terms of the Solar 
system are a collective source of self-consistent dynamic 
INTERIOR BOUNDARY CONDITIONS for themselves as single unit. 

    In electrodynamics, the EXTERIOR BOUNDARY CONDITIONS are 
applied. In the gravitational dynamic theory of planetary 
systems in latent shape the INTERIOR BOUNDARY CONDITIONS are 
applied, therefore the Solar system creates a " PROPER 
(NATURAL) GRAVITATIONAL SPACE " and the volume " of 
gravitational space " is determined by the gravitational 
interaction of bodies of the Solar system. The character 
of "standing" gravitational oscillations is defined by 
the proper system properties of a concrete gravitational 
system and does not depend on the metaphysical concept 
of the "velocity of gravitational interaction ". 


Who can now calculate the " velocity of gravitational 
interaction "on measurings positions of planets if he 
can not point out INTERIOR BOUNDARY CONDITIONS in 
an explicit way for solar or any other concrete 
gravitational system? 


INTERIOR (implicit) BOUNDARY CONDITIONS in a Quantum MECHANICS
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    The quantum mechanics is the theory about  stationary dynamic 
electrical processes in " PROPER (NATURAL) electrical SPACES ".

    By dynamics of " electrical planetary systems " (QM) 
in a latent form applies INTERIOR BOUNDARY CONDITIONS, 
therefore " the electrical planetary system " creates 
" NATURAL ELECTRICAL SPACE ". Volume of " NATURAL  ELECTRICAL 
SPACE " is determined by electrical interaction of bodies of 
concrete of " electrical planetary system ". The character of 
" standing " electrical oscillations is determined by natural 
general-system properties of concrete of " electrical planetary 
system ", thus character of " standing " electrical oscillations 
does not depend on metaphysical concept " velocities of electrical 
interaction ". The Planck's constant determines INTERIOR 
(implicit) BOUNDARY CONDITIONS in a quantum MECHANICS, which one 
is the theory of stationary states " of NATURAL electrical SPACES ".


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These circumstances explain the reasons of crash of a RELATIVITY in
QM.
" INTERIOR (latent) BOUNDARY CONDITIONS, NATURAL ELECTRICAL SPACE "
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> > To the point, you
> > still didn't answer me intelligibly, why the maximum of quantum output
> > coincides with the maximum of EM wave absorption. ;-)
> 
> It doesn't in the photoelectric effect.  The quantum output is either
> proportional to intensity, or the difference between threshold and photon
> energy, depending on how you want to define your nebulous term.
> 
> > If this has no
> > relation to resonance, then to what it relates? Only I would ask you,
> > please David, without your surrealism. ;-)
> 
> My surrealism is not in question.  Your reality is what we are discussing.
> 
> > Thus, should you don't cram but study in your red-stone universities,
> > you would have less difficulties with understanding, less absurdly
> > virtual ideas and ambitiously dogmatic statements. ;-)
> 
> Right.  Provide the link to your "mechanical" model, please.
> 
> David A. Smith