Re: Infinities in Physics: was-> Re: OT: Universe Born in Black Hole Explosion?

"Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

[Mega snippers everywhere..........]

> >>This is not an infinity in nature Alfred. Let me translate it for you,
> >>if something takes infinite time to happen, it never happens.

True, until some boundary is reached that turns infinite to finite time - an
unresolved infinity in an extension of real-world mathematics might simply
imply some boundary that we haven't defined as yet...


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[Black hole to singularity.]
> > replace "never happens" with "doesn't happen yet"
>
> No, it will never happen.

Does current physical ~ collapsar theory breakdown at some point so that it
does happen afterall..?

The outer mass of a collapsar accelerates inward, thus becoming more massive
as it's speed approaches that of light at the same time as time dilation
appears to slow things down to an outside observer - as time dilation
approaches infinity, so does mass.

[Passage of time at the surface of a collapsar approaches zero as the mass
outside the Schwarzchild radius of a collapsar approaches the Schwarzchild
radius itself - theory assumes it appears to never get there but there would
be no apparent time dilation to an observer on the surface of a collapsar
except everything exterior to the surface of the collapsar would be
redshifted to the point you would be seeing by VLF R/F. Anything actually on
the surface of the collapsar itself would blueshift beyond measurable
frequencies and you'd be smeared rather thin by local gravity, but would you
even notice if you were built to withstand the original gravitational forces
& temperatures on the surface of a supergiant star..? Perhaps you'd be
feeling rather stretched on the rack of tidal forces at the same time as you
were smeared out impossibly thin..? <LOL>  Or perhaps you wouldn't notice
because tidal forces, vertical & horizontal compression plus increasing heat
time & dilation all balance out, who knows until someone tries it and I'm
not volunteering for that one. ;-)  ]

Buuuuut what is happening _inside_ the Schwarzchild radius of a collapsar at
the same time as the outer mass is collapsing inward toward the Schwarzchild
radius..?  The outer surface of the collapsar has been subjected to far
greater gravitational differential than the centre, remembering that gravity
acting at the centre of a sphere is effectively zero.  Thus when it has
accelerated to relativistic speed in relation to the 'close by' centre of
the collapsar, the surface must have increased mass relative to the finite
mass interior to the Schwarzchild radius thus 'attracting' the interior back
outward toward the Schwarzchild radius - thus the mass of a collapsar both
interior and exterior to the Schwarzchild radius will accelerate toward the
Schwarzchild radius for a non-finite length of time. [1]

If the collapsar is rotating then gravitational attraction outward of the
portion inside the Schwarzchild radius will be augmented by effectively
reduced centripetal force in the equatorial region - this would result in
circulation of matter away from the poles toward the equatorial region as
the equatorial region became more massive more quickly than the polar
regions - thus the collapsar would deform toward increasingly oblate to the
point it becomes a toroid, if revolving quickly enough initially. There will
probably also be an incredible speed differential each side of the
(changing) Schwarzchild radius because of the increased angular velocity of
the inward falling matter and decreased angular velocity of the outward
'falling' matter. [I'd write more re polar deformation inside and outside
the original Schwarzchild radius but this has grown long enough already.
;-) ]

[1] I used non-finite instead of infinite above because, if there is a lower
bound to distance, then the two sides would, eventually, approach that
close - what happens then..?  Is there an implosion effect as inward and
outward accelerating matter 'bypass' each other via 'quantum tunneling' (?)
with the previously internal mass translating outside the Schwarzchild
radius thus free to 'blow off' like a Supernova shell nebula, decelerating
as it expands. Does the matter that was outside that radius continue
accelerating inward _inside_ the previous Schwarzchild radius - remembering
that a lot of the mass of the collapsar has 'blown off' to become the
Supernova shell - are the known physical forces sufficient to stop this
collapse at some point or is the inward relativistic speed and huge
relativistic mass sufficient to produce the singularity that "will never
happen"..? ;-)

Or; Less mass ergo smaller Schwarzchild radius ergo same thing happens
again, ie. cyclical implosions until the remaining mass drops well below
Chandrasekhar's limit and you either end up with a brown dwarf or a Neutron
star 'pulsar' surrounded by dense gas clouds rich in all sorts of elements
from multiple 'implosions'..?  A 'new star nursery' perhaps..?

My brain hurts, enough fun for this post - I'm off back to CPDN and some
more Vita brevis tempus longa. :-)

Ciao...

[UK]_Nick...
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