Re: Language tree rooted in Asia-Minor

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> > > > > > > http://www.nature.com/nsu/031124/031124-6.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Language tree rooted in Turkey
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Evolutionary ideas give farmers credit for Indo-European
tongues.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Kurgan might not be out of the picture entirely, says
> > McMahon -
> > > > > > > they may have triggered a later wave of languages. "This isn't
> > going
> > > > > > > to knock the debate on the head," she says.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Who are these people trying to fool. There were NO SUCH people
as
> > the
> > > > > > Kurgans.
> > > > >
> > > > > LIAR!!!
> > > > > "The Kurgan people were an Indo-European culture existing during
the
> > > > fifth, fourth,
> > > > > and third millennia BC; they lived in northern Europe, from Russia
> > across
> > > > Germany, and
> > > > > various authorities have mounted a case for them being THE
> > > > proto-Indo-European
> > > > > culture, from which all Indo-European cultures descend. Other
> > researchers
> > > > think it
> > > > > likely that later-day Kurgans were the "Sea People" who laid waste
to
> > the
> > > > Holy Land
> > > > > around 1200 BC - traveling south along the Mediterranean in ships,
> > with
> > > > their women
> > > >
> > > > YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND
> > > >
> > > > With names like Ekwesh (Achaeans), Danja (Danians), Pelast
(Pelasgains)
> > and
> > > > Sped (Spartans) it is bloody obvious that the Sea Peoples were
GREEKS.
> > >
> > > SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!
> > > Read "Kurgans, Ritual Sites, and Settlements" by Jeannine
Davis-Kimball.
> >
> > If I wanted to read about Kurgans I would have bought the official
Starfleet
> > English-Kurgan dictionary.
> >
> > > Ekwesh was a term coined by Hittites (not Greeks!) for the Ahhiyawa.
> >
> > POPPYOCCOK. Ekwesh was an Egyptians term.
>
> UTTER BULLSHIT!!!!
> Ekwesh was a term coined by Hittites. It still survives in the Turkish
word ekmek.
>
> > > So it is obvious that Sea People PREDATE the Greeks!!!
> >
> > YOU ARE AN IMBECILE.
> >
> > The Sea People ALL have Greek tribal names, Pelasgians, Spartans,
Achaeans
> > and Danai.
>
> YOU ARE MENTALLY DEGENERATE !!!
> At the time of the Sea People Greeks were still jumping from cave to cave.
>
> > > > > following them in wagons along the shore. The word kurgan means
barrow
> > or
> > > > grave in
> > > > > Slavic and Turkic; Kurgan culture is characterized by pit-graves
or
> > > > barrows, a
> > > > > particular method of burial. They are also called the Pit-grave
> > people, or
> > > > Barrow
> > > > > people."
> > > > > http://www.iras.ucalgary.ca/~volk/sylvia/Kurgans.htm
> > > >
> > > > So you admit that Kurgan is a MADE UP WORD just like Klingon and
that it
> > is
> > > > not even indo-European since the Turkic languages are members of the
> > ALTAIC
> > > > group. Further more your assertion backs up what I have already
stated
> > in
> > > > that the Slavs were not even Europeans but Asiatics whose language
is
> > > > derived from the same root as Altaic and then merged with the
indigenous
> > > > European language which was derived from Greek and Hittite as the
Nature
> > > > article asserts.
> > >
> > > UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!
> > > The term "Kurgan" is used for a civilization characterized by
pit-graves.
> > > If you consider the term "made up", also the "Sea People" is a made-up
> > term, since
> > > they mostly migrated over land.
> >
> > The term Sea People is the term used by the Egyptians themselves and
> > indicates the people came form the Land by the Sea which was the
original
> > name Greeks have to Greece or Aigialea.
>
> UNSUBSTANTIATED POPPYCOCK !!!
>
> The Sea People, who we are told of on reliefs at Medinet Habu and Karnak,
as well as
> from the text of the Great Harris Papyrus, are said to be a loose
confederation of
> people originating in the eastern Mediterranean.  The Sea People were
probably part of
> a great migration of displaced people. The migration was most likely the
result of
> widespread crop failures and famine.

COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT.

There is NOT ONE SHRED of documented historical evidence for any
displacement of people apart from the events relating to the Trojan War
where the displacements were caused by the war itself and internal coups in
the cities the Achaean leaders came from.

All the tribes named by the Egyptians as being part of the Sea Peoples are
known Greek and Italian tribes. Greek historical records prove that these
tribes attacked Egypt ins the EXACT year of Ramses III's expulsion of the
Sea Peoples 1175 BC.

>
> > > > > > > Biology and linguistics can learn a lot from each other,
comments
> > > > > > > geneticist David Searls of GlaxoSmithKline Pharmaceuticals,
based
> > in
> > > > > > > King of Prussia, Pennsylvania. "There may be some fundamental
> > > > > > > principles of evolution of complex systems, such as languages
and
> > > > > > > organisms," he says.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Biology dictates that there have to be 2 completely unrelated
> > > > fundamental
> > > > > > Indo-European languages that split from Phoenician and
> > Altaic-Chinese
> > > > 80,000
> > > > > > years ago and then merged again 10,000 years ago since Germanic,
> > > > Anatolian
> > > > > > and Phoenician people are descended directly from the M89 linage
> > whereas
> > > > > > Altaics, Chinese, Iberians, and Celts are all descended from M9
> > which
> > > > > > mutated from M89 80,000 years ago. There is not a trace of
Germanic
> > DNA
> > > > in
> > > > > > Iberia or Southern Italy which are both populated primarily by
> > > > descendents
> > > > > > of the M9 lineage and the only M89 derivative in Russia is the
> > Germanic
> > > > > > lineage M170.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only way a credible linguistic theory can be constructed is
by
> > > > removing
> > > > > > all Greek cognates from Latin and treating what is left as an
> > Asiatic
> > > > > > language.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only thing the above research proves is that Greek, Hittite,
> > > > Armenian,
> > > > > > Persian and Germanic derived from a common ancestor. It does not
> > prove a
> > > > > > link with either Latin or and Slavic languages which both need
to
> > have
> > > > split
> > > > > > from a common Asiatic  root 17,000 years ago somewhere in the
> > Ukraine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Funnily enough the name Indo-European is apt since it implies a
> > merging
> > > > of
> > > > > > an Asiatic langue with a European one but the current
> > > > Proto-Indo-European
> > > > > > theory is completely wrong as this research clearly shows.
> > > > >
> > > > > SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!!
> > > > > The common Proto-Indo-European root is not a theory but an
IRREFUTABLE
> > > > fact.
> > > >
> > > > BULLSHIT. The Proto-Indo-European theory was DISCREDITED by the lack
> > > > Archaeological evidence over 100 years ago. DNA research over the
past
> > > > decade has completely DEMOLISHED the theory.
> > >
> > > A COMPLETE AND DISSEMBLED PACK OF LIES!!!
> > > The common Proto-Indo-European root is an IRREFUTABLE FACT proven by
> > linguists
> > > worldwide!
> >
> > IT IS COMPLETE AND UTTER POPPYCOCK demolished for over a decade by DNA
> > evidence of human evolution and migration.
>
> YOU INSANE LYING MORON !!!
> The common Proto-Indo-European root is an IRREFUTABLE FACT proven by
linguists
> worldwide!

It is a load of Science Fiction demolished by DNA research. The only thing
accurate about it is the name Indo-European since the DNA research shows the
necessity for TWO root languages, one from Asia and the other from around
Anatolia.

> Your DNA crap, which is only based on forgery, lies and deception, has no
basis
> whatsoever.
> It is an ACADEMIC FRAUD!!!

POPPYCOCK. The DNA evidence is form research carried out at Stanford
University among others.

>
> > > > All the elements in Slavic languages which resemble other European
> > languages
> > > > were introduced by Germanic colonisation and this means that the
> > Germanic,
> > > > Greek and Hittite languages split from Phoenician 80,000 years ago
and
> > were
> > > > introduced to Europe 10,000 years ago with the first farmers.
> > >
> > > SHEER POPPYCOCK!!
> > > Greeks did NOT exist 10,000 years ago!!!
> >
> > WRONG.
> >
> > Archaeological evidence shows that the were sophisticated Greek
settlements
> > dating back 10,000 years.
>
> A COMPLETE AND UTTER DISSEMBLED PACK OF LIES !!!
> The Myceneans thrived between 1600 BC and 1200 BC.
> DO YOUR MATHS, BUFFOON!!!

Who is talking about Mycenaean's. I am talking about GREEKS.

>
> > > > The Slavs did
> > > > not set foot in Europe until 600 AD and like the Hungarians who are
of
> > the
> > > > same M17 DNA linage originally spoke and Altaic like all the other
M17
> > > > lineages of central Asia. Latin was also a language that split form
the
> > > > Altaic-Chinese-Native-American super group
> > >
> > > UTTER BULLSHIT!!!
> > > The TERM "Slavs" did not appear until the 6th century, but the people
> > existed much
> > > earlier!!
> > > Ptolemy (about A.D. 100-178) mentioned in his work, "Geographike
> > hyphegesis", a tribe
> > > called Stavani (Stavanoi) which was said to live in European Sarmatia
> > between the
> > > Lithuanian tribes of the Galindae and the Sudeni and the Sarmatic
tribe of
> > the Alans.
> > > He also mentioned another tribe, Soubenoi, which he assigned to
Asiatic
> > Sarmatia on
> > > the other side of the Alani. According to Safarik these two statements
> > refer to the
> > > same Slavonic people. Ptolemy got his information from two sources;
the
> > orthography of
> > > the copies he had was poor and consequently he believed there were two
> > tribes to which
> > > it was necessary to assign separate localities. In reality the second
name
> > refers very
> > > probably to the ancestors of the present Slavs, as does the first name
> > also though
> > > with less certainty. The Slavonic combination of consonants sl was
changed
> > in Greek
> > > orthography into stl, sthl, or skl.
> >
> > POPPYCOCK. There is NOT A TRACE of the Slavic M17 DNA linage in the
> > population of Ancient Greece as represented by the Greeks of Sicily who
are
> > their biological decedents.
> >
> > At about the time of Ptolemy Germanic M170 tribes were conquering the
> > Russian Steppes and that is the reason the original Slavic language
which
> > was a form of Altaic like the M17 linage White Huns of Hungarians
changed
> > its syntax.
>
> YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR CRAZY DEMENTED MIND !!!
> Greeks came to Sicily only in the 8th century BC.

Long before that he Greeks that came back form the Trojen War colonised
Italy in 1183 BC along with the Trojans. Herakles came to Sicily in 1251 BC.
Minos came to Sicily in about the same year and that is where he died. The
Aeolians colonised Italy and Sicily some time between 1460 and 1300 BC. The
Arcadians colonised Italy in 1460 BC and named the land the colonised
Oenotria after Oenotrus their king. Cronos (Sarturn) became king of Sicily
in 1675 BC and his name is recorded in Linear A inscriptions found on Crete.


> Their arrival was predated by the settlements of Phoenicians.

WRONG

> Three tribes of Sicilians, called the Elymnians, the Sicans and the Sicels
lived there
> too. They lived in Sicily before anyone else arrived.
>
> > > Latin language developed in the region around Rome called Latium.
> >
> > Italo-Celtic (Iberian) the ancestor of Latin was an Asiatic language
which
> > developed from the same M45 linage ancestor language as Native American.
>
> UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!
> Nothing is known about the primitive language of native Americans.
> Like most other civilizations in history, they had no written records.

It was the same language the speak today unless you think that for 20,000
years they held to a vow of silence.

>
> > >
> > > > > GET AN EDUCATION, BUFFOON!!!
> > > >
> > > > GET A BRAIN YOU IGNORAMUS.
> > > >
> > > > The mistake that every linguist has been making for the past 2
centuries
> > is
> > > > in treating the Italo-Celtic languages as part of the same group as
the
> > > > Greco-Hittite-Iranian languages that evolved at the same time. DNA
> > research
> > > > and archaeology proves that this is IMPOSSIBLE both because of
geography
> > and
> > > > because of the time that elapsed between the evolution of the
specific
> > DNA
> > > > lineages. Greco-Hittite-Iranian evolved from the same root as
Akkadian.
> > > > Italo-Celtic have the same root as Altaic and Chinese and in order
to
> > study
> > > > them properly they must be STRIPPED of ALL GREEK COGNATES. Because
of
> > its
> > > > mixture with Slavic German cannot form a basis for the study of the
> > origins
> > > > of any Europeans languages nor can Sanskrit for the same reasons.
Greek
> > and
> > > > Hittite are the only basis for study and since very few Hittite
words
> > > > survive Greek must be place at the centre of study.
> > >
> > >
> > > ILITTERATE NINCOMPOOP!!!
> > >
> > > Read Oswald Szemerenyi, Comparative-historical linguistics :
Indo-European
> > and
> > > Finno-Ugric.
> > > Proto-Indo-European is the *reconstructed* language that was the
ancestor
> > of the
> > > Indo-European languages.
> >
> > There is no such language as Proto-Indo-European.
>
> YOU ARE A RAVING LYING LUNATIC !!!
> It is the *reconstructed* language from which all other Indo-European
languages
> derived.
> There is ample and IRREFUTABLE linguistic evidence for it.

Anyone can reconstruct a root language for anything they want but that does
not mean it ever existed.

>
> >
> > > To understand it, one must apply *linguistic* criteria, not
*genetics*,
> > which are
> > > absolutely unrelated.
> >
> > POPPYCOCK.
> >
> > Genetic criteria say that the was NO common Proto-Indo-European tribe
> > therefore PIE cannot have existed.
>
> BULLSHIT !!!
> Genetic criteria are TOTALLY IRRELEVANT for linguistics.

WRONG. Linguistics intrinsically dependent on it. Children from the same
tribe speak the language of their parents and native ancestors not that of
tribe that lives thousands of miles away and was separated from them tens of
thousands of years earlier.

>
> WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FRESH TURKISH COFFEE, YOU NUMSKULL !!!
>

GET AN EDUCATION AND THINK FOR YOURSELF YOU ROBOT.

> WolfWolf
> The European
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