Re: Language tree rooted in Asia-Minor

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> > > > > > http://www.nature.com/nsu/031124/031124-6.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Language tree rooted in Turkey
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Evolutionary ideas give farmers credit for Indo-European tongues.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The Kurgan might not be out of the picture entirely, says
> McMahon -
> > > > > > they may have triggered a later wave of languages. "This isn't
> going
> > > > > > to knock the debate on the head," she says.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who are these people trying to fool. There were NO SUCH people as
> the
> > > > > Kurgans.
> > > >
> > > > LIAR!!!
> > > > "The Kurgan people were an Indo-European culture existing during the
> > > fifth, fourth,
> > > > and third millennia BC; they lived in northern Europe, from Russia
> across
> > > Germany, and
> > > > various authorities have mounted a case for them being THE
> > > proto-Indo-European
> > > > culture, from which all Indo-European cultures descend. Other
> researchers
> > > think it
> > > > likely that later-day Kurgans were the "Sea People" who laid waste to
> the
> > > Holy Land
> > > > around 1200 BC - traveling south along the Mediterranean in ships,
> with
> > > their women
> > >
> > > YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND
> > >
> > > With names like Ekwesh (Achaeans), Danja (Danians), Pelast (Pelasgains)
> and
> > > Sped (Spartans) it is bloody obvious that the Sea Peoples were GREEKS.
> >
> > SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!
> > Read "Kurgans, Ritual Sites, and Settlements" by Jeannine Davis-Kimball.
>
> If I wanted to read about Kurgans I would have bought the official Starfleet
> English-Kurgan dictionary.
>
> > Ekwesh was a term coined by Hittites (not Greeks!) for the Ahhiyawa.
>
> POPPYOCCOK. Ekwesh was an Egyptians term.

UTTER BULLSHIT!!!!
Ekwesh was a term coined by Hittites. It still survives in the Turkish word ekmek.

> > So it is obvious that Sea People PREDATE the Greeks!!!
>
> YOU ARE AN IMBECILE.
>
> The Sea People ALL have Greek tribal names, Pelasgians, Spartans, Achaeans
> and Danai.

YOU ARE MENTALLY DEGENERATE !!!
At the time of the Sea People Greeks were still jumping from cave to cave.

> > > > following them in wagons along the shore. The word kurgan means barrow
> or
> > > grave in
> > > > Slavic and Turkic; Kurgan culture is characterized by pit-graves or
> > > barrows, a
> > > > particular method of burial. They are also called the Pit-grave
> people, or
> > > Barrow
> > > > people."
> > > > http://www.iras.ucalgary.ca/~volk/sylvia/Kurgans.htm
> > >
> > > So you admit that Kurgan is a MADE UP WORD just like Klingon and that it
> is
> > > not even indo-European since the Turkic languages are members of the
> ALTAIC
> > > group. Further more your assertion backs up what I have already stated
> in
> > > that the Slavs were not even Europeans but Asiatics whose language is
> > > derived from the same root as Altaic and then merged with the indigenous
> > > European language which was derived from Greek and Hittite as the Nature
> > > article asserts.
> >
> > UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!
> > The term "Kurgan" is used for a civilization characterized by pit-graves.
> > If you consider the term "made up", also the "Sea People" is a made-up
> term, since
> > they mostly migrated over land.
>
> The term Sea People is the term used by the Egyptians themselves and
> indicates the people came form the Land by the Sea which was the original
> name Greeks have to Greece or Aigialea.

UNSUBSTANTIATED POPPYCOCK !!!

The Sea People, who we are told of on reliefs at Medinet Habu and Karnak, as well as
from the text of the Great Harris Papyrus, are said to be a loose confederation of
people originating in the eastern Mediterranean.  The Sea People were probably part of
a great migration of displaced people. The migration was most likely the result of
widespread crop failures and famine.

> > > > > > Biology and linguistics can learn a lot from each other, comments
> > > > > > geneticist David Searls of GlaxoSmithKline Pharmaceuticals, based
> in
> > > > > > King of Prussia, Pennsylvania. "There may be some fundamental
> > > > > > principles of evolution of complex systems, such as languages and
> > > > > > organisms," he says.
> > > > >
> > > > > Biology dictates that there have to be 2 completely unrelated
> > > fundamental
> > > > > Indo-European languages that split from Phoenician and
> Altaic-Chinese
> > > 80,000
> > > > > years ago and then merged again 10,000 years ago since Germanic,
> > > Anatolian
> > > > > and Phoenician people are descended directly from the M89 linage
> whereas
> > > > > Altaics, Chinese, Iberians, and Celts are all descended from M9
> which
> > > > > mutated from M89 80,000 years ago. There is not a trace of Germanic
> DNA
> > > in
> > > > > Iberia or Southern Italy which are both populated primarily by
> > > descendents
> > > > > of the M9 lineage and the only M89 derivative in Russia is the
> Germanic
> > > > > lineage M170.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only way a credible linguistic theory can be constructed is by
> > > removing
> > > > > all Greek cognates from Latin and treating what is left as an
> Asiatic
> > > > > language.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only thing the above research proves is that Greek, Hittite,
> > > Armenian,
> > > > > Persian and Germanic derived from a common ancestor. It does not
> prove a
> > > > > link with either Latin or and Slavic languages which both need to
> have
> > > split
> > > > > from a common Asiatic  root 17,000 years ago somewhere in the
> Ukraine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Funnily enough the name Indo-European is apt since it implies a
> merging
> > > of
> > > > > an Asiatic langue with a European one but the current
> > > Proto-Indo-European
> > > > > theory is completely wrong as this research clearly shows.
> > > >
> > > > SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!!
> > > > The common Proto-Indo-European root is not a theory but an IRREFUTABLE
> > > fact.
> > >
> > > BULLSHIT. The Proto-Indo-European theory was DISCREDITED by the lack
> > > Archaeological evidence over 100 years ago. DNA research over the past
> > > decade has completely DEMOLISHED the theory.
> >
> > A COMPLETE AND DISSEMBLED PACK OF LIES!!!
> > The common Proto-Indo-European root is an IRREFUTABLE FACT proven by
> linguists
> > worldwide!
>
> IT IS COMPLETE AND UTTER POPPYCOCK demolished for over a decade by DNA
> evidence of human evolution and migration.

YOU INSANE LYING MORON !!!
The common Proto-Indo-European root is an IRREFUTABLE FACT proven by linguists
worldwide!
Your DNA crap, which is only based on forgery, lies and deception, has no basis
whatsoever.
It is an ACADEMIC FRAUD!!!

> > > All the elements in Slavic languages which resemble other European
> languages
> > > were introduced by Germanic colonisation and this means that the
> Germanic,
> > > Greek and Hittite languages split from Phoenician 80,000 years ago and
> were
> > > introduced to Europe 10,000 years ago with the first farmers.
> >
> > SHEER POPPYCOCK!!
> > Greeks did NOT exist 10,000 years ago!!!
>
> WRONG.
>
> Archaeological evidence shows that the were sophisticated Greek settlements
> dating back 10,000 years.

A COMPLETE AND UTTER DISSEMBLED PACK OF LIES !!!
The Myceneans thrived between 1600 BC and 1200 BC.
DO YOUR MATHS, BUFFOON!!!

> > > The Slavs did
> > > not set foot in Europe until 600 AD and like the Hungarians who are of
> the
> > > same M17 DNA linage originally spoke and Altaic like all the other M17
> > > lineages of central Asia. Latin was also a language that split form the
> > > Altaic-Chinese-Native-American super group
> >
> > UTTER BULLSHIT!!!
> > The TERM "Slavs" did not appear until the 6th century, but the people
> existed much
> > earlier!!
> > Ptolemy (about A.D. 100-178) mentioned in his work, "Geographike
> hyphegesis", a tribe
> > called Stavani (Stavanoi) which was said to live in European Sarmatia
> between the
> > Lithuanian tribes of the Galindae and the Sudeni and the Sarmatic tribe of
> the Alans.
> > He also mentioned another tribe, Soubenoi, which he assigned to Asiatic
> Sarmatia on
> > the other side of the Alani. According to Safarik these two statements
> refer to the
> > same Slavonic people. Ptolemy got his information from two sources; the
> orthography of
> > the copies he had was poor and consequently he believed there were two
> tribes to which
> > it was necessary to assign separate localities. In reality the second name
> refers very
> > probably to the ancestors of the present Slavs, as does the first name
> also though
> > with less certainty. The Slavonic combination of consonants sl was changed
> in Greek
> > orthography into stl, sthl, or skl.
>
> POPPYCOCK. There is NOT A TRACE of the Slavic M17 DNA linage in the
> population of Ancient Greece as represented by the Greeks of Sicily who are
> their biological decedents.
>
> At about the time of Ptolemy Germanic M170 tribes were conquering the
> Russian Steppes and that is the reason the original Slavic language which
> was a form of Altaic like the M17 linage White Huns of Hungarians changed
> its syntax.

YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR CRAZY DEMENTED MIND !!!
Greeks came to Sicily only in the 8th century BC.
Their arrival was predated by the settlements of Phoenicians.
Three tribes of Sicilians, called the Elymnians, the Sicans and the Sicels lived there
too. They lived in Sicily before anyone else arrived.

> > Latin language developed in the region around Rome called Latium.
>
> Italo-Celtic (Iberian) the ancestor of Latin was an Asiatic language which
> developed from the same M45 linage ancestor language as Native American.

UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!
Nothing is known about the primitive language of native Americans.
Like most other civilizations in history, they had no written records.

> >
> > > > GET AN EDUCATION, BUFFOON!!!
> > >
> > > GET A BRAIN YOU IGNORAMUS.
> > >
> > > The mistake that every linguist has been making for the past 2 centuries
> is
> > > in treating the Italo-Celtic languages as part of the same group as the
> > > Greco-Hittite-Iranian languages that evolved at the same time. DNA
> research
> > > and archaeology proves that this is IMPOSSIBLE both because of geography
> and
> > > because of the time that elapsed between the evolution of the specific
> DNA
> > > lineages. Greco-Hittite-Iranian evolved from the same root as Akkadian.
> > > Italo-Celtic have the same root as Altaic and Chinese and in order to
> study
> > > them properly they must be STRIPPED of ALL GREEK COGNATES. Because of
> its
> > > mixture with Slavic German cannot form a basis for the study of the
> origins
> > > of any Europeans languages nor can Sanskrit for the same reasons. Greek
> and
> > > Hittite are the only basis for study and since very few Hittite words
> > > survive Greek must be place at the centre of study.
> >
> >
> > ILITTERATE NINCOMPOOP!!!
> >
> > Read Oswald Szemerenyi, Comparative-historical linguistics : Indo-European
> and
> > Finno-Ugric.
> > Proto-Indo-European is the *reconstructed* language that was the ancestor
> of the
> > Indo-European languages.
>
> There is no such language as Proto-Indo-European.

YOU ARE A RAVING LYING LUNATIC !!!
It is the *reconstructed* language from which all other Indo-European languages
derived.
There is ample and IRREFUTABLE linguistic evidence for it.

>
> > To understand it, one must apply *linguistic* criteria, not *genetics*,
> which are
> > absolutely unrelated.
>
> POPPYCOCK.
>
> Genetic criteria say that the was NO common Proto-Indo-European tribe
> therefore PIE cannot have existed.

BULLSHIT !!!
Genetic criteria are TOTALLY IRRELEVANT for linguistics.

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FRESH TURKISH COFFEE, YOU NUMSKULL !!!

WolfWolf
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