Re: Language tree rooted in Asia-Minor

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> > > > > http://www.nature.com/nsu/031124/031124-6.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Language tree rooted in Turkey
> > > > >
> > > > > Evolutionary ideas give farmers credit for Indo-European tongues.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The Kurgan might not be out of the picture entirely, says
McMahon -
> > > > > they may have triggered a later wave of languages. "This isn't
going
> > > > > to knock the debate on the head," she says.
> > > >
> > > > Who are these people trying to fool. There were NO SUCH people as
the
> > > > Kurgans.
> > >
> > > LIAR!!!
> > > "The Kurgan people were an Indo-European culture existing during the
> > fifth, fourth,
> > > and third millennia BC; they lived in northern Europe, from Russia
across
> > Germany, and
> > > various authorities have mounted a case for them being THE
> > proto-Indo-European
> > > culture, from which all Indo-European cultures descend. Other
researchers
> > think it
> > > likely that later-day Kurgans were the "Sea People" who laid waste to
the
> > Holy Land
> > > around 1200 BC - traveling south along the Mediterranean in ships,
with
> > their women
> >
> > YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND
> >
> > With names like Ekwesh (Achaeans), Danja (Danians), Pelast (Pelasgains)
and
> > Sped (Spartans) it is bloody obvious that the Sea Peoples were GREEKS.
>
> SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!
> Read "Kurgans, Ritual Sites, and Settlements" by Jeannine Davis-Kimball.

If I wanted to read about Kurgans I would have bought the official Starfleet
English-Kurgan dictionary.

> Ekwesh was a term coined by Hittites (not Greeks!) for the Ahhiyawa.

POPPYOCCOK. Ekwesh was an Egyptians term. The Hittite term was Ahhiyawa
which is a crude attempt to write the Homeric name Achaiwoi in Hittite
cuneiform. The Hittites recognised the kings of the Achaeans as Great Kings
not just petty tribal chiefs.

> So it is obvious that Sea People PREDATE the Greeks!!!

YOU ARE AN IMBECILE.

The Sea People ALL have Greek tribal names, Pelasgians, Spartans, Achaeans
and Danai.

>
> >
> > > following them in wagons along the shore. The word kurgan means barrow
or
> > grave in
> > > Slavic and Turkic; Kurgan culture is characterized by pit-graves or
> > barrows, a
> > > particular method of burial. They are also called the Pit-grave
people, or
> > Barrow
> > > people."
> > > http://www.iras.ucalgary.ca/~volk/sylvia/Kurgans.htm
> >
> > So you admit that Kurgan is a MADE UP WORD just like Klingon and that it
is
> > not even indo-European since the Turkic languages are members of the
ALTAIC
> > group. Further more your assertion backs up what I have already stated
in
> > that the Slavs were not even Europeans but Asiatics whose language is
> > derived from the same root as Altaic and then merged with the indigenous
> > European language which was derived from Greek and Hittite as the Nature
> > article asserts.
>
> UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!
> The term "Kurgan" is used for a civilization characterized by pit-graves.
> If you consider the term "made up", also the "Sea People" is a made-up
term, since
> they mostly migrated over land.

The term Sea People is the term used by the Egyptians themselves and
indicates the people came form the Land by the Sea which was the original
name Greeks have to Greece or Aigialea.

>
> > > > > Biology and linguistics can learn a lot from each other, comments
> > > > > geneticist David Searls of GlaxoSmithKline Pharmaceuticals, based
in
> > > > > King of Prussia, Pennsylvania. "There may be some fundamental
> > > > > principles of evolution of complex systems, such as languages and
> > > > > organisms," he says.
> > > >
> > > > Biology dictates that there have to be 2 completely unrelated
> > fundamental
> > > > Indo-European languages that split from Phoenician and
Altaic-Chinese
> > 80,000
> > > > years ago and then merged again 10,000 years ago since Germanic,
> > Anatolian
> > > > and Phoenician people are descended directly from the M89 linage
whereas
> > > > Altaics, Chinese, Iberians, and Celts are all descended from M9
which
> > > > mutated from M89 80,000 years ago. There is not a trace of Germanic
DNA
> > in
> > > > Iberia or Southern Italy which are both populated primarily by
> > descendents
> > > > of the M9 lineage and the only M89 derivative in Russia is the
Germanic
> > > > lineage M170.
> > > >
> > > > The only way a credible linguistic theory can be constructed is by
> > removing
> > > > all Greek cognates from Latin and treating what is left as an
Asiatic
> > > > language.
> > > >
> > > > The only thing the above research proves is that Greek, Hittite,
> > Armenian,
> > > > Persian and Germanic derived from a common ancestor. It does not
prove a
> > > > link with either Latin or and Slavic languages which both need to
have
> > split
> > > > from a common Asiatic  root 17,000 years ago somewhere in the
Ukraine.
> > > >
> > > > Funnily enough the name Indo-European is apt since it implies a
merging
> > of
> > > > an Asiatic langue with a European one but the current
> > Proto-Indo-European
> > > > theory is completely wrong as this research clearly shows.
> > >
> > > SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!!
> > > The common Proto-Indo-European root is not a theory but an IRREFUTABLE
> > fact.
> >
> > BULLSHIT. The Proto-Indo-European theory was DISCREDITED by the lack
> > Archaeological evidence over 100 years ago. DNA research over the past
> > decade has completely DEMOLISHED the theory.
>
> A COMPLETE AND DISSEMBLED PACK OF LIES!!!
> The common Proto-Indo-European root is an IRREFUTABLE FACT proven by
linguists
> worldwide!

IT IS COMPLETE AND UTTER POPPYCOCK demolished for over a decade by DNA
evidence of human evolution and migration.

> >
> > All the elements in Slavic languages which resemble other European
languages
> > were introduced by Germanic colonisation and this means that the
Germanic,
> > Greek and Hittite languages split from Phoenician 80,000 years ago and
were
> > introduced to Europe 10,000 years ago with the first farmers.
>
> SHEER POPPYCOCK!!
> Greeks did NOT exist 10,000 years ago!!!

WRONG.

Archaeological evidence shows that the were sophisticated Greek settlements
dating back 10,000 years.

>
> > The Slavs did
> > not set foot in Europe until 600 AD and like the Hungarians who are of
the
> > same M17 DNA linage originally spoke and Altaic like all the other M17
> > lineages of central Asia. Latin was also a language that split form the
> > Altaic-Chinese-Native-American super group
>
> UTTER BULLSHIT!!!
> The TERM "Slavs" did not appear until the 6th century, but the people
existed much
> earlier!!
> Ptolemy (about A.D. 100-178) mentioned in his work, "Geographike
hyphegesis", a tribe
> called Stavani (Stavanoi) which was said to live in European Sarmatia
between the
> Lithuanian tribes of the Galindae and the Sudeni and the Sarmatic tribe of
the Alans.
> He also mentioned another tribe, Soubenoi, which he assigned to Asiatic
Sarmatia on
> the other side of the Alani. According to Safarik these two statements
refer to the
> same Slavonic people. Ptolemy got his information from two sources; the
orthography of
> the copies he had was poor and consequently he believed there were two
tribes to which
> it was necessary to assign separate localities. In reality the second name
refers very
> probably to the ancestors of the present Slavs, as does the first name
also though
> with less certainty. The Slavonic combination of consonants sl was changed
in Greek
> orthography into stl, sthl, or skl.

POPPYCOCK. There is NOT A TRACE of the Slavic M17 DNA linage in the
population of Ancient Greece as represented by the Greeks of Sicily who are
their biological decedents.

At about the time of Ptolemy Germanic M170 tribes were conquering the
Russian Steppes and that is the reason the original Slavic language which
was a form of Altaic like the M17 linage White Huns of Hungarians changed
its syntax.

>
> Latin language developed in the region around Rome called Latium.

Italo-Celtic (Iberian) the ancestor of Latin was an Asiatic language which
developed from the same M45 linage ancestor language as Native American.

When the M173 Iberian tribes reached the Balkans in 5000 BC the Iberian
language merged with the Greco-Hittite language over a period of 3000 years.
Hittite was probably less affected by this mixing than Greek or
Phrygian-Armenian and Old Persian was not affected at all.

>
> > > GET AN EDUCATION, BUFFOON!!!
> >
> > GET A BRAIN YOU IGNORAMUS.
> >
> > The mistake that every linguist has been making for the past 2 centuries
is
> > in treating the Italo-Celtic languages as part of the same group as the
> > Greco-Hittite-Iranian languages that evolved at the same time. DNA
research
> > and archaeology proves that this is IMPOSSIBLE both because of geography
and
> > because of the time that elapsed between the evolution of the specific
DNA
> > lineages. Greco-Hittite-Iranian evolved from the same root as Akkadian.
> > Italo-Celtic have the same root as Altaic and Chinese and in order to
study
> > them properly they must be STRIPPED of ALL GREEK COGNATES. Because of
its
> > mixture with Slavic German cannot form a basis for the study of the
origins
> > of any Europeans languages nor can Sanskrit for the same reasons. Greek
and
> > Hittite are the only basis for study and since very few Hittite words
> > survive Greek must be place at the centre of study.
>
>
> ILITTERATE NINCOMPOOP!!!
>
> Read Oswald Szemerenyi, Comparative-historical linguistics : Indo-European
and
> Finno-Ugric.
> Proto-Indo-European is the *reconstructed* language that was the ancestor
of the
> Indo-European languages.

There is no such language as Proto-Indo-European.

> To understand it, one must apply *linguistic* criteria, not *genetics*,
which are
> absolutely unrelated.

POPPYCOCK.

Genetic criteria say that the was NO common Proto-Indo-European tribe
therefore PIE cannot have existed. The is no trace of the M173 linage in
Persia, virtual no trace of the Anatolia M172 linage in Iberia, no trace of
the M170 or M17 lineages in Sicily or population of Ancient Greece.

If the common European language was passed on by the migration of
Agricultural tribes the it must have evolved in Mesopotamia 80,000 years ago
and could not have born any relation to the language of the M173 Iberian and
M17 Slavic tribes which are descended from the M9 lineage unlike the M172
and 170 Anatolian and Germanic lineages which derive directly from M89.

>
> WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FRESH TURKISH COFFEE, YOU NUMSKULL !!!
>
> WolfWolf
> The European
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