Re: The Vinland Map Find Or Fraud?

"D. Spencer Hines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
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> For Serious Readers Of This Thread
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> And then there's this intriguing story:
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> Martin Alonso Pinzon
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> Pinzon built all three of Columbus's ships, paid one-eighth of the
> expenses and secured the crews for all three vessels.  He then commanded
> "Pinta" on the 1492-1493 voyage to "The Indies", while his brother,
> Vicente Yanez, commanded "Nina".  Columbus, the Admiral, sailed in Santa
> Maria and commanded the entire expedition.
>
> Columbus and Pinzon had a severe falling out during the voyage and a
> lawsuit which lasted for 300 years ensued between partisans and heirs of
> the two men.
>
> The lawsuit was not settled until 1793.  It's reportedly the longest
> running one in Spanish History.
>
> The Vinland Map, the Tartar Relation and the four books [XXI-XXIV] of
> Vincent of Beauvais's _Speculum Historiale_, originally bound together,
> may have come from the treasure trove of documents engendered by that
> long legal fight.
>
> I'll bet the Spanish lawyers made a pretty penny on it.
>
> One version has it that the volume, with the map, may well have come
> from the Vatican Library where Pinzon was given it by Pope Innocent
> VIII's librarian and cosmographer, Giovanni Lorenzi, and that Pinzon
> then brought it back to Spain.
>
> "During a visit to Rome he [Pinzon] learned from the Holy Office of the
> tithes which had been paid from the beginning of the fifteenth century
> from a country named Vinland, and examined the charts of the Norman
> explorers."
>
> _The Catholic Encyclopedia_
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> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12104a.htm
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> Intriguing....
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> [N.B.  Vide _The Case Of The Vinland Map_, by Wilcomb E. Washburn, in
> VMTR 95, especially pp. xxii-xxv ---- DSH]
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> "Tithes were reportedly coming in from Greenland and "Vinland" in the
> 15th Century ---- so those areas were portrayed on the map."
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> A fascinating story ---- certainly demanding a more concerted scholarly
> investigation....

That's what I have been looking into for the last 5-6 years....... it's
intriguing. Yes I can confirm that the tithes were paid to the Papal Church
both from Vinland and Greenland in 15th century. Last one from Greenland in
early 1470's. Last I know of from Vinland in early 16th century. The last(?)
two tithes payed from Vinland were 'slim' compared to earlier payments.
Vinland still had a cathedral and at least one major village. They had lost
a lot of land and been attacked by other Europeans many priests had died.
More about the last parts later. For the moment I am trying to track down
some items given by the Pope in 1490's resp early 16th c.

Inger E