Re: Language tree rooted in Asia-Minor

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> > > > http://www.nature.com/nsu/031124/031124-6.html
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> > > > Language tree rooted in Turkey
> > > >
> > > > Evolutionary ideas give farmers credit for Indo-European tongues.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > The Kurgan might not be out of the picture entirely, says McMahon -
> > > > they may have triggered a later wave of languages. "This isn't going
> > > > to knock the debate on the head," she says.
> > >
> > > Who are these people trying to fool. There were NO SUCH people as the
> > > Kurgans.
> >
> > LIAR!!!
> > "The Kurgan people were an Indo-European culture existing during the
> fifth, fourth,
> > and third millennia BC; they lived in northern Europe, from Russia across
> Germany, and
> > various authorities have mounted a case for them being THE
> proto-Indo-European
> > culture, from which all Indo-European cultures descend. Other researchers
> think it
> > likely that later-day Kurgans were the "Sea People" who laid waste to the
> Holy Land
> > around 1200 BC - traveling south along the Mediterranean in ships, with
> their women
>
> YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND
>
> With names like Ekwesh (Achaeans), Danja (Danians), Pelast (Pelasgains) and
> Sped (Spartans) it is bloody obvious that the Sea Peoples were GREEKS.

SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!
Read "Kurgans, Ritual Sites, and Settlements" by Jeannine Davis-Kimball.
Ekwesh was a term coined by Hittites (not Greeks!) for the Ahhiyawa.
So it is obvious that Sea People PREDATE the Greeks!!!

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> > following them in wagons along the shore. The word kurgan means barrow or
> grave in
> > Slavic and Turkic; Kurgan culture is characterized by pit-graves or
> barrows, a
> > particular method of burial. They are also called the Pit-grave people, or
> Barrow
> > people."
> > http://www.iras.ucalgary.ca/~volk/sylvia/Kurgans.htm
>
> So you admit that Kurgan is a MADE UP WORD just like Klingon and that it is
> not even indo-European since the Turkic languages are members of the ALTAIC
> group. Further more your assertion backs up what I have already stated in
> that the Slavs were not even Europeans but Asiatics whose language is
> derived from the same root as Altaic and then merged with the indigenous
> European language which was derived from Greek and Hittite as the Nature
> article asserts.

UTTER LIES AND BULLSHIT!!!
The term "Kurgan" is used for a civilization characterized by pit-graves.
If you consider the term "made up", also the "Sea People" is a made-up term, since
they mostly migrated over land.

> > > > Biology and linguistics can learn a lot from each other, comments
> > > > geneticist David Searls of GlaxoSmithKline Pharmaceuticals, based in
> > > > King of Prussia, Pennsylvania. "There may be some fundamental
> > > > principles of evolution of complex systems, such as languages and
> > > > organisms," he says.
> > >
> > > Biology dictates that there have to be 2 completely unrelated
> fundamental
> > > Indo-European languages that split from Phoenician and Altaic-Chinese
> 80,000
> > > years ago and then merged again 10,000 years ago since Germanic,
> Anatolian
> > > and Phoenician people are descended directly from the M89 linage whereas
> > > Altaics, Chinese, Iberians, and Celts are all descended from M9 which
> > > mutated from M89 80,000 years ago. There is not a trace of Germanic DNA
> in
> > > Iberia or Southern Italy which are both populated primarily by
> descendents
> > > of the M9 lineage and the only M89 derivative in Russia is the Germanic
> > > lineage M170.
> > >
> > > The only way a credible linguistic theory can be constructed is by
> removing
> > > all Greek cognates from Latin and treating what is left as an Asiatic
> > > language.
> > >
> > > The only thing the above research proves is that Greek, Hittite,
> Armenian,
> > > Persian and Germanic derived from a common ancestor. It does not prove a
> > > link with either Latin or and Slavic languages which both need to have
> split
> > > from a common Asiatic  root 17,000 years ago somewhere in the Ukraine.
> > >
> > > Funnily enough the name Indo-European is apt since it implies a merging
> of
> > > an Asiatic langue with a European one but the current
> Proto-Indo-European
> > > theory is completely wrong as this research clearly shows.
> >
> > SHEER POPPYCOCK!!!!
> > The common Proto-Indo-European root is not a theory but an IRREFUTABLE
> fact.
>
> BULLSHIT. The Proto-Indo-European theory was DISCREDITED by the lack
> Archaeological evidence over 100 years ago. DNA research over the past
> decade has completely DEMOLISHED the theory.

A COMPLETE AND DISSEMBLED PACK OF LIES!!!
The common Proto-Indo-European root is an IRREFUTABLE FACT proven by linguists
worldwide!
>
> All the elements in Slavic languages which resemble other European languages
> were introduced by Germanic colonisation and this means that the Germanic,
> Greek and Hittite languages split from Phoenician 80,000 years ago and were
> introduced to Europe 10,000 years ago with the first farmers.

SHEER POPPYCOCK!!
Greeks did NOT exist 10,000 years ago!!!

> The Slavs did
> not set foot in Europe until 600 AD and like the Hungarians who are of the
> same M17 DNA linage originally spoke and Altaic like all the other M17
> lineages of central Asia. Latin was also a language that split form the
> Altaic-Chinese-Native-American super group

UTTER BULLSHIT!!!
The TERM "Slavs" did not appear until the 6th century, but the people existed much
earlier!!
Ptolemy (about A.D. 100-178) mentioned in his work, "Geographike hyphegesis", a tribe
called Stavani (Stavanoi) which was said to live in European Sarmatia between the
Lithuanian tribes of the Galindae and the Sudeni and the Sarmatic tribe of the Alans.
He also mentioned another tribe, Soubenoi, which he assigned to Asiatic Sarmatia on
the other side of the Alani. According to Safarik these two statements refer to the
same Slavonic people. Ptolemy got his information from two sources; the orthography of
the copies he had was poor and consequently he believed there were two tribes to which
it was necessary to assign separate localities. In reality the second name refers very
probably to the ancestors of the present Slavs, as does the first name also though
with less certainty. The Slavonic combination of consonants sl was changed in Greek
orthography into stl, sthl, or skl.

Latin language developed in the region around Rome called Latium.

> > GET AN EDUCATION, BUFFOON!!!
>
> GET A BRAIN YOU IGNORAMUS.
>
> The mistake that every linguist has been making for the past 2 centuries is
> in treating the Italo-Celtic languages as part of the same group as the
> Greco-Hittite-Iranian languages that evolved at the same time. DNA research
> and archaeology proves that this is IMPOSSIBLE both because of geography and
> because of the time that elapsed between the evolution of the specific DNA
> lineages. Greco-Hittite-Iranian evolved from the same root as Akkadian.
> Italo-Celtic have the same root as Altaic and Chinese and in order to study
> them properly they must be STRIPPED of ALL GREEK COGNATES. Because of its
> mixture with Slavic German cannot form a basis for the study of the origins
> of any Europeans languages nor can Sanskrit for the same reasons. Greek and
> Hittite are the only basis for study and since very few Hittite words
> survive Greek must be place at the centre of study.


ILITTERATE NINCOMPOOP!!!

Read Oswald Szemerenyi, Comparative-historical linguistics : Indo-European and
Finno-Ugric.
Proto-Indo-European is the *reconstructed* language that was the ancestor of the
Indo-European languages.
To understand it, one must apply *linguistic* criteria, not *genetics*, which are
absolutely unrelated.

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FRESH TURKISH COFFEE, YOU NUMSKULL !!!

WolfWolf
The European