Re: The Vinland Map Find Or Fraud?

"Inger E Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > "Inger E Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > "Eric Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
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> > > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:03:28 -0000, "Vaughan Sanders"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > >"Eric Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > > > >> On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:43:58 -0000, "Vaughan Sanders"
> > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > >snip
> > > > >
> > > > >> I have been sailing for 60 years and have many miles of
> > saltwalter
> > > > >> under my belt (there is a mixed metaphor if there was one!).
> > These
> > > > >> days I rely on two engines.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If you consult reference works such as the 'Admiralty Sailing
> > > > >> Directions' or Cornell's 'World Sailing Routes' you will see
that
> > > > >> first, there is a reverse current in the north of the
Atlantic
> > which
> > > > >> takes ships from the north of England round through the
Faroes,
> > > > >> Iceland, Greenland to Newfoundland. Similarly, by sailing
well to
> > the
> > > > >> north it is possible to pick up the easterly winds on the
north
> > side
> > > > >> of the westward moving depressions. By keeping to the north
one
> > gets
> > > > >> both favourable winds and currents for a journey to the west.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A more southerly route meets both winds and currents from the
> > west,
> > > > >> which is why they would have returned that way.
> > > > >
> > > > >Well Eric, if I was a Basque and had just taken your advice to
put
> > 2000
> > > > >miles on my journey.
> > > > >I would be severely pissed.
> > > > >(current shipping forecast)
> > > > >WEST FAEROES SOUTHEAST ICELAND
> > > > >SOUTH OR SOUTHWEST 3 OR 4, OCCASIONALLY 5, INCREASING 5 TO 7,
> > > > >PERHAPS GALE 8 LATER. RAIN LATER. GOOD BECOMING MODERATE
> > > > >
> > > > >(southerly route)
> > > > >FITZROY SOLE
> > > > >NORTH OR NORTHWEST 5 TO 7, OCCASIONALLY GALE 8. THUNDERY
SHOWERS OR
> > > > >RAIN. GOOD OCCASIONALLY MODERATE
> > > >
> > > > Its lovely to have consistent weather - the same forecast every
day.
> > > > Its cheaper too. You can close down the meteorological
department.
> > > >
> > > > In any case, they would not have been making the voyage as the
depth
> > > > of winter approaches (as is the case at present). They would
have
> > > > sailed in the middle of the year when the weather pattern was
> > further
> > > > south.
> > >
> > > The Norse sailed from Greenland between late March and October but
> > rarely
> > > set sail before April from Norway to Greenland. The Basques helped
the
> > Norse
> > > in whale-hunting in at least two small 'settlements' in northern
> > > Newfoundland.
> > >
> > > The fish-wars between Norway and England in water south of
Greenland
> > took
> > > place from May to late Fall. Guess we first have to realise that a
few
> > > grades over our present temperatures today in these waters does
and
> > did make
> > > a difference.
> > >
> > > Inger E
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Just a thought Inger, why do you think the Norse would haul their
ships
> > across Shetland, rather than risk going north directly towards
Faroe?.
> > I would think that they didn't want to risk being driven into the
Artic
> > Ocean.
> >
> > Jamie
>
> Jamie,
> I never seen any hauling of ships across Shetland. Where have you
found
> that? What I have is sailing as close to Shetland that they could
count the
> trees or sailing south of the main island of Shetlands. Your thoughts
as
> good as mine.
>
> Inger E
> >
> >
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>

Julian Richards (I think) archaeology program on the TV , they actually
hauled a knarr across to see if it could be done.
I think the consensus of opinion was that a longship would have been
easier, the oars would have been used to take some of the weight off the
rollers.
The population of the Island helped out, obviously the ship was emptied
of cargo and the ballast (rocks) dumped on the beach, she was then
re-launched on the other side, re-ballasted with rocks and the cargo
loaded back on, presumably this was done in each direction.

Hmm, he doesn't mention it in his book so it might not have been Julian,
but I'm sure I've seen other references to it, I would have thought it
was from one of the saga's.

Jamie