Re: Vedic Indo-Aryans North of the Black Sea ~2000 BC!

Day Brown wrote:
> 
> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
> 
> > <snipping a whole lot of what looks like netloonery, and has nothing to
> > do with sci.lang anyway>
> Well, lets get back the news on the net of the discovery of Turkish
> farmers who have an extensive set of PIE words, after all this time,

There has been no such "discovery."

> that relate to primitive agriculture. Yet again, we have a clue to the
> origin of the PIE near the Black Sea.
> and you cant get any nearer than on the bottom of it.
> 
> Were the Black Sea saline at the time of the formation of PIE, the
> language would have had words for the marine environment. It dont. One
> of the reasons would be that the original speakers lived by a freshwater
> lake, which is what R&P have said.
> 
> Maybe I should note another point of netiquette, is that when one
> resorts to ad hominum, they do so because they dont have the facts to
> back up a position.
> 
> I dont argue that conferences are not instructive. But if they have a
> case, there is nothing to prevent them from posting their data and
> results. And while the supply of kook theories has always been larger
> than the demand, we are all aware of some of these new perspectives
> turning out to be more useful than the conventional lack of wisdom.
> 
> The traditional view has always been that the 'Kurgans' or whoever,
> represented a particular racial group or bloodline, and that they

Linguists have no interest in "racial groups" or "bloodlines," and "the
'Kurgans'" are a style of burial mound, not a people.

> 'conquered' the territory of the less advanced cultures. The Turkish
> farmers are not, however, distinctive by DNA, and indeed the DNA data we
> do have suggests a lot of genetic diversity, not a family line, such as
> the 'sons of Abraham'.
> 
> A more realistic approach sees the agrarian technology as drawing new
> people to the lifestyle, just as New York draws people from all over the
> earth to create a new mixed culture with a new syncretic language. Which
> again, is what R&P say happened on the shores of the Euxine lake, which
> drew people from Anatolia, Europe, and the Steppes, and where all the
> words from these various ecosystems got integrated into PIE. But since
> they were all *farmers* and not mariners, there are no words for the
> marine environment. Yet, because there were swamps, lakes, rivers, and
> the watercraft used on them in the local Euxine ecosystem, we have all
> those PIE words.

Too bad the region's archeologists have found nothing that conforms to
the former Ryan hypothesis that you, unlike him, seem unable to let go
of.
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Peter T. Daniels                       [EMAIL PROTECTED]