Re: Vedic Indo-Aryans North of the Black Sea ~2000 BC!

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

> <snipping a whole lot of what looks like netloonery, and has nothing to
> do with sci.lang anyway>
Well, lets get back the news on the net of the discovery of Turkish
farmers who have an extensive set of PIE words, after all this time,
that relate to primitive agriculture. Yet again, we have a clue to the
origin of the PIE near the Black Sea.
and you cant get any nearer than on the bottom of it.

Were the Black Sea saline at the time of the formation of PIE, the
language would have had words for the marine environment. It dont. One
of the reasons would be that the original speakers lived by a freshwater
lake, which is what R&P have said.

Maybe I should note another point of netiquette, is that when one
resorts to ad hominum, they do so because they dont have the facts to
back up a position.

I dont argue that conferences are not instructive. But if they have a
case, there is nothing to prevent them from posting their data and
results. And while the supply of kook theories has always been larger
than the demand, we are all aware of some of these new perspectives
turning out to be more useful than the conventional lack of wisdom. 

The traditional view has always been that the 'Kurgans' or whoever,
represented a particular racial group or bloodline, and that they
'conquered' the territory of the less advanced cultures. The Turkish
farmers are not, however, distinctive by DNA, and indeed the DNA data we
do have suggests a lot of genetic diversity, not a family line, such as
the 'sons of Abraham'. 

A more realistic approach sees the agrarian technology as drawing new
people to the lifestyle, just as New York draws people from all over the
earth to create a new mixed culture with a new syncretic language. Which
again, is what R&P say happened on the shores of the Euxine lake, which
drew people from Anatolia, Europe, and the Steppes, and where all the
words from these various ecosystems got integrated into PIE. But since
they were all *farmers* and not mariners, there are no words for the
marine environment. Yet, because there were swamps, lakes, rivers, and
the watercraft used on them in the local Euxine ecosystem, we have all
those PIE words.


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