Re: The Vinland Map Find Or Fraud?

"Soren Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Paul J Gans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i en meddelelse
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> > In soc.history.medieval Vaughan Sanders
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> > >"Eric Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > >> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:41:30 -0000, "Vaughan Sanders"
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> > >snip
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> > >>
> > >> Being propelled under sail, they really had little alternative in
> the
> > >> route they could follow. They didn't have to land at these places
> but
> > >> they did have to sail in their general direction. The return
> journey
> > >> would be made by a more southerly route.
> > >> >
> >
> > >Where on earth did you get that idea from?, a Viking Longship or
> Knarr
> > >could out point any square rigger of Nelson's navy.
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> > I'd like to see some proof of that.
> >
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> It is a bit overstated.
>
> The replica longships dont do as well as "modern" square riggers for
> probably two reasons: 1) There has been very little material available
> to reconstruct the sail setup of warships. 2) The hull is designed
> as a compromise allowing for both sailing and rowing as effective as
> possible. The longship replicas usually sails at 75 degrees when
heading
> into the wind.
>
> The norse pure sailing ships otoh usually sails at 60 degrees when
> heading into the wind which is very respectable compared with
> "modern" fullrigged ships from around 1900 which usually sailed at
60-70
> degrees. The "knarr" replicas has a hullshape optimized for sailing
> and their rig has been reconstructed with a large degree of certainty
> since the hulltype only slightly altered was in use into the 20th c.
> This has alloved for comparisons of the modern rigs with the rig
traces
> on the viking age wrecks.
>
> It is also worthwhile to ponder that Viking - the first viking ship
> replica
> managed to cross the Atlantic in 27 days in her journey for the world
> fair
> in 1893. Viking was a Gokstad replica and as such probably never
> intended
> as a seagoing ship by the Norse.
>
> Cheers
> Soren Larsen
>
>
>

7 weeks for Sir Humphrey in 1583.

Only in a real blow can the Knarr get away from a Longship to windward,
although the Knarr can tack faster and point higher the oars of the
Longship make the difference.

"The sagas include an account of this capability: A Viking named Gauti
Tófason overtook four Danish knarrs in his longship. He was on the verge
of capturing a fifth when a storm blew up, allowing his prey to escape."

Jamie