Re: TOBS: From nothing?

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:44:08 +0000, L Perez wrote:

> "MarkA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 06:16:28 +0000, JaBrIoL wrote:
>>
>> > All
>> >
>> >
>> >  Can experts now explain the origin of the universe? Many scientists,
>> > uncomfortable with the idea that the universe was created by a higher
>> > intelligence, speculate that by some mechanism it created itself out
>> > of nothing. Does that sound reasonable to you? Such speculations
>> > usually involve some variation of a theory (inflationary universe
>> > model) conceived in 1979 by physicist Alan Guth. Yet, more recently,
>> > Dr. Guth admitted that his theory "does not explain how the universe
>> > arose from nothing." Dr. Andrei Linde was more explicit in a
>> > Scientific American article: "Explaining this initial
>> > singularity-where and when it all began-still remains the most
>> > intractable problem of modern cosmology."
>> >
>> > If experts cannot really explain either the origin or the early
>> > development of our universe, should we not look elsewhere for an
>> > explanation? Indeed, you have valid reasons to consider some evidence
>> > that many have overlooked but that may give you real insight on this
>> > issue. The evidence includes the precise measurements of four
>> > fundamental forces that are responsible for all properties and changes
>> > affecting matter. At the mere mention of fundamental forces, some may
>> > hesitate, thinking, 'That's solely for physicists.' Not so. The basic
>> > facts are worth considering because they affect us.
>>
>> Let's compare two hypotheses:
>>
>> a) We know that the world that we experience is far different from the
>> world that we know exists from the study of quantum mechanics and
>> cosmology.  The onset of our current Universe was a colossal event that
>> is probably beyond our capacity to comprehend
> 
> such as the power of YHWH?
> 

I said "beyond our capacity to comprehend" NOT "beyond our capacity to
define"

> 
> 
> , much in the way that quantum
>> entanglement is beyond our capacity to comprehend, though we can observe
>> it readily.  Trying to construct a detailed description of what happened
>> 12-15 billion years ago by looking at the result is like trying to
>> figure out how the World Trade Center was built by looking at one piece
>> of the wreckage after its collapse.
>>
>> b) Goddidit.
>>
>> While I admit that b) has a certain elegant simplicity, it really
>> doesn't convey much information.  The reason that some people cannot
>> accept a) is that it lacks, and will always lack, that nice, neat,
>> "just-so-story" completeness that goes with b).
> 
> but let's take a step back and look at the bigger picture from a different
> angle. I realize that most evolutionists are unfamiliar with all the
> teachings and message of YHWH's Son Christ Jesus but there is one
> irrefutable fact regarding his teachings. That is that they are absolute
> perfection. IOW if every human being were to live according to the
> teachings of Christ, this world would be unrecognizably different that it
> currently is. Pain, suffering, hatred and misery would not exist. Neither
> would governments or politics. YHWH has promised to restore the earth to
> such a paradise and He has given us His son to prove an example of how
> people will be in this "new earth". Christ reinforced this message during
> his time on earth. This is the wonderful hope we have if we will only
> subject ourselves to the will of YHWH. Christ's teachings are flawless and
> if all humans lived their lives according to those principles the earth
> would be a paradise. Instead, what do we see with the majority of humans'
> refusal to live according to the will of YHWH? Humans decided they wanted
> to rule themselves and did not want to submit to YHWH and what does
> history bear out? Politics, hatred, war, prejudice. We have proven one
> thing; that we are incapable of self rule. Believing in the big bang
> theory or political partisanship (yes, *true* Christians do *not* support
> *any* human political faction) or darwinism isn't going to change that
> fact. By submitting to YHWH I have hope. If some radical terrorists get
> nuclear bombs (which is obviously inevitable) could it create a worldwide
> chain reaction resulting in full scale nuclear war? Of course it will, but
> long before that happens mankind will have proven conclusively that he is
> incapable of self rule. What happens then? If there is a God he will save
> those who have not stubbornly rejected Him in favor of self rule. If not,
> the atmosphere goes up in a nuclear fireball
> 

In other words, if people behaved like your concept of a god, instead of
like aggressive, carniverous primates, the world would be a happier place.

Well, DUH!!  No shit, Sherlock!  And if people could just teleport
wherever they wanted to go, nobody would die in car crashes, either.  In
case you hadn't noticed, the world was not a more peaceful place even when
JC was around to kick butt if need be.

If your idea of a saviour of mankind is someone who chats it up with a
dozen or so Bronze Age goat herders and expects that will keep people
being nice to each other for the next 2,000 plus years, you don't seem to
have much of a grip on reality.

> 
> 
> I choose hope!
> 
> please study the teachings of YHWH's Son Christ Jesus and submit to YHWH.
> It does not benefit me if you do, yet I beg you to for your own sake.
> 
> L Perez (one of Jehovah's people)

Please study a little basic human psychology.  Perhaps you will recognize
how delusional you are.

-- 
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)