Re: Chinese and EVD and DVD

klm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> On 19 Nov 2003 22:37:19 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Guru Google) wrote:
> 
> >
> >That's two different things. Computer OS is 100% decided by computer
> >users.  You one person can decide you wanna Linux or Windows. EVD is
> >decided equally by users and content providers.  It doesn't make sense
> >if you have many EVD disks for sale but few people have the player,
> >and it don't make sense if you have many users with evd drives on
> >their computers but they don't know where to buy the disk.
> >
> 
> 
> What you are saying is exactly the same thing as I am saying.  

Nap.... :P

>  Its a free world and everyone is free to buy and use what works for
> them.  By introducing the EVD standard the Chinese think they have a
> winning technology and proproety control over a new consumer
> technology standard that people will buy.  The EVD effort may well
> fail spectacularly and the players lose their shirts.   That's the
> name of the game.

So, did Chinese invent the enhanced DVD?  If no, then will China pay
some royalty fees to another company like China pays for DVD?

If yes, who, and which company?

> SONY, Philips, the French, the Germans, the English, the American and
> just about every big brand name company have all had given their best
> shots in trying to establish new propriety consumer electronics
> standards.  After the bruising Betamax-VHS battle  the conventional
> wisdom is to sit down together and work out a common standard where
> everybody has to contribute something, give up something and come away
> with a standard all can live with.  You don't try to go it alone
> because to try to build a market for your propriety standard from
> scratch will most likely be a death sentence for all as rivals try to
> establish their propriety standard(s) too.  Only the lawyers come out
> ahead in this kind of fight.

Hehe, the world is not that simple.   Some folks insist on perfect
quality, some folks like better compression, some folks prefer
rewritable media.

Unless you gotta a cyrstal ball in your hand, your market department
don't know in advance which standard wins in long run.

> The significance is that China just went ahead to make the rules all
> by itself.  We never heard of China asking anyone to come sit down
> with her to come up with the EVD standard. The Chinese assumption is
> that the domestic market is enough to ensure its success.  

Not true. Hehe, if Chin a still don't respect copyright and IP, hehe,
you see how the movie hero was pirated, not to mention the USA movies.

If the domestic market turns to a  pirate carribean market, nobody
take interests.

>  There is this other conventional wisdom.  You don't have to be
> perfect.  You only have to good enough and have enough users to
> succeed.  For much of the early versions MS sucked bad compared to
> Apple.  You know the story.

And you kno w the story. Part of the reason why Apple lost big is
apple sealing its Macs and nobody else can make Mac clones. IBM allows
clones.  So, in the many years later, IBM do not sell PC exclusively,
but PC takes the big market.  Apple takes 5% - 10%.  Any lesson
learned from this if you still think China can seal some propietary
format or OS?

> As much as you may think that this Chinese attempt will go down
> spectacularly in flames  it still catches your attention.  I bet it
> caught the attention of every other competitor in the DVD sector too.
> For a good reason.

Hehe, I'm no fortune teller and I don't wanna say whether this EVD
wins. but think about this.  Enhanced DVD is 5x better than DVD, but
can people's television box show 5X? If no, what's the deal with 5X? 
Oh, you say the new standard can store a movie of 20 hours rather than
3 hours for DVD, for example, but if there are't no 20 hour movies
(not even Gong with the Wind), what's the deal with 20 hours capacity?

> For sure a non Chinese DVD sector competitor knows there is no money
> to be made competing in China.  The margins are too small and they
> will have to establish manufacturing, marketing and distribution in
> China.  Just to make one product?  No way will that fly. On the other
> hand they cannot ignore the challenge either.   The chances are that
> the EVD will be fully compatible with current DVD standards and
> provide a bit more in features.  I don't know.  But you can imagine
> the nightmares this EVD thingy is causing the DVD competition.  With
> volume production in China and when the EVD stuff appears in export
> markets they may well suck the oxygen out from the competition.

Hehe. Okay. This EVD is fully compatible with current DVD standard
(question -- does that imply a license from the Japan companies), but
can current DVD players play it?   If no, then you gotta wait for a
few years when people upgrade their box.

Now it's estimate the EVD box will cost $240, and Chinese DVD player
will cost $85.  Gotta design computer EVD drive too.

> As I said this EVD business model is worth watching.

Sure.  Let's see. I'm not gonna curse it but I'm not goona expect too
much too.

So Mok, what video standard committe are you in?