Re: Sunday I reentered America at LAX and US Immigration "entry stamped" my US Passport.

"Ramon Miquel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> PTRAVEL wrote:
> > "Paul O" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >>And, unlike the U.S., they know every
> >>hotel I've stayed in, as my passport is taken from me and the
information
> >>recorded and forwarded to the local police department.  I don't fear the
> >>procedure, or resent it.
> >>
> >>
> >>What twaddle - very few European countries take passport information and
> >>forward it to the Police Station.
> >
> >
> > Italy, France, Spain, Germany, Austria, Belgium, Hungary, and the Czech
> > Republic are all countries in which hotels have taken my passport and
> > recorded the information.

Well, _I'm_ sorry, but I just returned from Italy on Sunday.  My passport
was taken and information recorded at hotels in Milan, Venezia, Firenzi,
Luca, San Gimignano, Siena and Rome.  And I've been in France, Spain,
Germany, Austria and Belgium within the last three years, and my passport
was taken, and information recorded, at every hotel I stayed at in those
countries as well.  These hotels varied from 3-star to 5-star.

> >
> > Care to try again?
> >
>
> Sorry, but Italy, France, Spain, Germany, Austria and Belgium are all
> countries in which I have stayed in the last few years and NO hotels
> have taken my passport for anything. I have never been to Hungary or the
> Czech Republic.

I have, last year, and my passport was taken and information recorded there
as well.

>
>
> >
> >>I'm fascinated by this whole thread!!
> >>Lotta scared angry people out there - likely to be many more until the
US
> >>changes leadership!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>PTRAVEL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >>
> >>>"nobody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> >>>
> >>>>Simple business decision. If the government makes money re-issuing
> >>>
> >>>passports,
> >>>
> >>>>then it stands to gain by stamping US passports with as much useless
> >>
> >>stuff
> >>
> >>>as
> >>>
> >>>>possible so that you run out of space and need to request (and pay !)
> >>
> >>for
> >>
> >>>a
> >>>
> >>>>new passport.
> >>>>
> >>>>:-)
> >>>
> >>>I'm glad you included the smilely.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Consider the treatment the current USA regime gives to visitors to the
> >>
> >>USA
> >>
> >>>who
> >>>
> >>>>have overstayed a visa in the past.
> >>>
> >>>What treatment does the USA give visitors who have previously violated
> >>>immigration laws?  The law is clear, as are the penalties for its
> >>
> >>violation.
> >>
> >>>Who goes to another country and believes they can violate the law with
> >>>impunity?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Since the USA has every reason to fear
> >>>>that other countries might treat USA citizens the same way USA treats
> >>>
> >>>their
> >>>
> >>>>citizens,
> >>>
> >>>"Fear"?  Have you travelled much internationally?  US immigration
> >>
> >>procedures
> >>
> >>>for _visitors_ are not particularly onerous, and considerably easier
> >
> > than
> >
> >>>those of a number of countries I've visited, many of which profess to
be
> >>>democracies.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>then that stamp would help you get out of prison since it
> >>>>implicitely proves you have left their country by entering the USA on
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>>specific date and thus hadn't overstayed your visa there.
> >>>
> >>>Oh, please . . what nonsense!  My passport is scanned whenever I depart
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>Schengen country (which has the most liberal . . . and reciprocal . . .
> >>>entry requirements with respect to the US) and, I suppose, if I wanted
> >
> > to
> >
> >>>get an exit stamp I could.  I am, however, in the computer -- they know
> >>
> >>when
> >>
> >>>I entered, and they know when I left.  And, unlike the U.S., they know
> >>
> >>every
> >>
> >>>hotel I've stayed in, as my passport is taken from me and the
> >
> > information
> >
> >>>recorded and forwarded to the local police department.  I don't fear
the
> >>>procedure, or resent it.
> >>>
> >>>There's an awful lot about the U.S. that is very wrong just now.
> >>>Immigration procedures for visitors isn't one of them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Come to think of it, any visitor to the USA should have their passport
> >>>
> >>>stamped
> >>>
> >>>>when they enter another country after leaving the USA. Since the USA
> >>>
> >>>doesn't
> >>>
> >>>>have exit controls and thus is  incapable of really tracking who has
> >
> > and
> >
> >>>>hasn't overstayed their visas, having a stamp from another country
> >>
> >>proving
> >>
> >>>you
> >>>
> >>>>had left the USA on such and such a date might be your ticket to
> >
> > prevent
> >
> >>a
> >>
> >>>>visit to a USA prison.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>