Re: Federer serve speed question...

"ImHuge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > Anyway, Wilander had already gone
> > > through a period where it looked like he was through winning.
> >
> > What does that mean?
>
> It means after winning his first 4 GS titles, he had about a 3 year
> drought before winning his last 3 in 1988.  You don't usually see that
> length of time elapse between slams.

You're clueless.  Wilander won 1 slam/yr '82 to '85, had a poor '86, but was
r/up '87 FO/US to Lendl in tight 4-setters before his big '88.  To me it
looks like he only had 1 bad yr ('86).....



Most GS champions have their time
> in the sun.  When the sun sets, its over.  I recall Mac in an
> interview around '86 saying that Wilander was done also.  Little did
> he know..
> >
> > 1988
> > > was a resurgence, and it honestly did not surprise me when he fell off
> > > after '88.
> >
> > Bullshit.  Irrelevant anyway....
>
> Call it bullshit if you want, but I am not surprised to see players
> whose main weapon is their mind fall off.  Like Hewitt, Wilander
> needed to be at the top of his game mentally because that was his main
> 'weapon'.  He obviously achieved that in 1988 in a big way, so it was
> not a big surprise to see him have a let down.  Hewitt is having a
> let-down now, but based on the Wilander example, I give him one chance
> to come back around--but only once.
>

Jimbo?


> >
> > His game required a high level of focus and he had 'burned
> > > out' once already.
> >
> > Yeah, we're all geniuses in hindsight....
> >
> Some of us who have played a lot and seen all types are fairly
> perceptive in real time.


Well, thanks.  Thought you'd never notice....


>
> >
> >
> > Mac in '84 peaked.  He then got married to a
> > > freak, took 6 months off and was basically diverted in his attention
> > > of being the best tennis player.
> >
> > I think, basically, you're full of shit....
>
> For a guy who presents himself as a former local tennis star, you show
> remarkably little understanding of what it takes to make it and then
> stay at the top.  You also show no understanding of how a situation as
> happened to Seles could permanently change her.  It is not unusual at
> all for #1 players to drop off once their 100% focus at being the best
> is compromised.

....yet Graf was 100% in there all career?  If you can't be impartial don't
waste bandwidth...


> >
> >
> > Seles seemed to have things pretty
> > > well under control with a close and supportive family.  She was
> > > focused on tennis and would have won a bunch more slams almost
> > > certainly.
> >
> > If by 'bunch' you mean about 2, maybe 3, yes possible....
>
> 2 or 3 easily.  I'm thinking more like 6-8+.  In a prior post you
> mentioned Graf would have taken the #1 back by winning the AU.  That
> begs the question--what would make you think Seles was going to lose
> the AU given her record there?

The fact she saved MP's v players like MJF & Huber before going on to win AO
a coupe of times?  Oh hang on, she just let them get to MP to demonstrate
she could win anyway..... ; )



Since she likely would have won the
> event, this means she would have pulled further away from Graf--no?


No......


> > She may have had problems at some point, packed on weight
> > > as she ended up doing,
> >
> > You think she woulda got fat anyway?  I think most people would turn
obese
> > after suffering a 3cm cut to the shoulder... she woulda stayed slim &
trim
> > otherwise....
>
> Your mimizilization of what occured by repeating the 3 cm cut line is
> a joke.

You mean reporting the facts.  Yes, guilty........



It is quite obvious what you are trying to do as well. This
> sort of tactic is always suspect.  And I'm the one full of shit?

It seems you're making every excuse under the sun for Seles, yet Graf was
100% peak all career.  You are a big joke...


> > but there is no reason to believe that was
> > > imminent.  I'm not trying to shoot down your obvious favorite player,
> > > Graf.
> >
> > Henin is my favourite as she's clearly the most talented woman player
ever -
> > by a significant margin.  Graf was the best in absolute terms.  Anyone
who
> > thrashes peak-Seles 6-2 6-1 when in a slump period is beyond
criticism....
> >
> >
> > I don't care that much about it.  I thought it would be obvious
> > > to anyone that Seles' GS winnings were cut short by more than a few
> > > titles.
> >
> > No, as per my Wilander/Mac examples above, which you failed to
discount....
>
> Again, you demonstrate remarkably little understanding for a guy who
> was supposedly a good player.


So because I refuse to stick my head up my arse, I show little
understanding....?



> >
> > I really think that Seles would have stacked up to anyone,
> > > including the Williams sisters--
> >
> > ..at her best, no doubt.  She was arguably 2nd to only Graf at
respective
> > peaks, but I suspect Henin will overtake & take 2nd....
> >
>
> I say she was better than Graf.  She had the game to beat Graf.  I
> wonder who their contemporaries at the time would rather take their
> chances against?


Wonder why top notch peak seles squeaked past Graf 6-2 3-6 10-8 at FO (Graf
making twice as many errors), & got hammered at Wimbledon....?



>
> >
> >
> > she was way more consistent and could
> > > jerk an opponent around like nobody else.
> >
> > Yes, of course the likes of Martinez/ASV made it easier for Seles to get
to
> > every ball.  Henin, Graf & Serena woulda made her look less impressive I
> > suspect....
>
> Serena maybe.  Seles would beat her on consistency--she was far
> superior in that dept. Graf had the forehand, but could in no way keep
> up the pace off the backhand wing.

You're minimizing the effectiveness of the deep slice backhand -
understandable given you've never been a 'local tennis star' & basically are
guessing....


Seles had the perfect game to
> exploit that and seemed to have no problems digging up Graf's slice.

Yes, that's what I saw at Wimbledon....



> She hit hard and accurately from both sides and hit the best angles
> ever seen.  If anything, I think she would have improved vs. Graf.
> Pretty simple game plan really.  Keep forcing Graf to the ad court and
> wait to rip one up the line or cc to the deuce--if necessary blast
> another into the ad corner.  Nobody jerked an opponent around better
> than Seles.  Seles could never play the net for shit and she wasn't
> fast on her feet.  But her ability to get to balls was markedly better
> prior to the stabbing than after.  Graf would have needed to mix it up
> more and get to the net--not her first nature.


So you seriously think she wouldn't have gotten fat & slow anyway?  That's
moronic...




>
> >
> >
> > The big problem you have is
> > > that by admitting the obvious,
> >
> > It really couldn't be any more obvious....
>
> What, that Graf's GS total would be less and Seles' more?  No sane
> person would doubt this.

And why would someone who won something like
> 6 of the last 8 only win 2 more in subsequent years?  Oh yes, Graf was
> coming out of that slump.  LOL!

If you look at seles' slam record closely you'll realise she only had 1
convincing win (FO '91).  She was in losing position/saved MPs in all her
other wins.  Everyone knows this, including biased newbies like yourself, &
it's why she isn't considered amongst the elite by tennis analysts.  Or do
you think it's some sort of coincidence the experts don't regard her as
highly as say Conolly...?



>
> >
> >
> >
> > it implies that Graf would have several
> > > less titles than the 22 or whatever she has, and would therefore take
> > > a backseat to MN.  I think that I'm done with this near-senseless
> > > debate--I really didn't think I would run into this in a group of
> > > tennis observers.
> >
> >
> > eh?  This is tennis doomkoff....
>
> You need to consult with Max on your German.
>
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > You're not being genuine if you think Seles wouldn't have gotten fat
if
> >  she
> > > > weren't stabbed....
> > >
> > > I think the sustained period off the court sped that up considerably.


She was 19 idiot - if you can't make a full physical recovery at that age,
from a tiny cut like that, then you're full of shit... : )


> > > The point is that only a fool would think she was not going to win
> > > more slams, and some of those at Graf's expense.  The girl was
> > > rolling.
> >
> >
> > Come back to me when you have a sensible explanation for Wilander/Mac
> > demise.  Age can't be used as they were 23/25.....
>
> Their situations were different from eachother's, and completely
> different than Seles' unprecedented situation.


Pathetic excuses..... how about showing some impartiality & giving Graf
consideration for all her problems?  Never happened?  ; )


And Muster's is
> different from all the other's as well.  You trying to lump them all
> together as though they are the same points to the frailty of your
> argument.  With your assumptiveness about the Seles situation, I would
> say you deserve to be mugged at some point.

I know it wouldn't effect my game in the slightest......