Re: OT - Keyshawn

> > I specifically said he's average, maybe a little better than
average,
> > Buse. Not "less than average" as you claim. My words are right
above
> > yours. And frankly, you haven't shown me any statistics or
accolades
> > that put him in the "elite" class you seem to want to put him in.
In
> > fact, I've shown you *career* statistics that show him to be an
> > average receiver. And a Super Bowl victory is a *team*
accomplishment,
> > not an individual accomplishment.
>
> My mistake for the misquote.

No problem. See, it's not so hard to admit when you're wrong. If you
can do it, why can's Sapp? ;)

> > No, I can't let it go. If you're gonna give yourself a nickname,
at
> > least live up to the hype you're trying to make for yourself. Sapp
> > doesn't.
>
> Hell, I've never even heard the damn thing, but if you're this
against
> it, as of now, so am I!

www.qbkilla.com

> > > And you can't compare those
> > > two to Sapp, due to the defensive schemes and how the team
plays.
> >  Both
> > > of those guys you mentioned are Pro Bowlers so they are
obviously
> > > extremely talented. Again, with the QB Killa. Let's do this
Greg,
> > > let's rip out every single athlete's ability to speak, Lord
knows
> > > grown men can't speak, and let's just make them play. No talking
> > > damn't! None at all!
> >
> > I'd be for that. :)
> >
> > Seriously, I don't mind an athlete that markets himself. I don't
even
> > mind a little trash-talk, in the heat of the game. But Sapp (with
the
> > help of the media) has marketed himself as "one of the best
defensive
> > players in the NFL", and he's not even the best defensive player
ON
> > HIS TEAM. And when he takes it too far and the NFL *finally*
demands
> > that he act his age and act like the professional he's supposed to
be,
> > he claims that the system that has made him a *very* rich man is
akin
> > to slavery. You may not think that's wrong, Buse, but I do and so
do a
> > lot of other people.
>
> > I like you Buse, you know that, and I respect your opinion.
However, I
> > think it's a damned shame that you respect a man that refuses to
back
> > down from an idiotic statement than a man that recognizes when
he's
> > said something stupid and apologizes for it. An apology is not a
sign
> > of weakness, Buse, it's a sign of character.
> >
> > I'll leave it at that.
>
> That's your opinion, don't make it seem like you're looking down at
me

No looking down on you, just making an observation.

> because we have different views on this. "I like you too Greg", but
> people that don't stand behind what they feel are spineless fucks.
You
> have your views, I have mine, let's move on.

Fair enough.

> > Warren Sapp is currently doing a deodorant commercial, at least
one
> > endorsement that I know of. He's also one of the first guys the
> > reporters put a camera in front of before and after the game
(except
> > when they lose, when Sapp is inexplicably hard to locate).
>
> He really isn't, but he's a soundbite because of his mouth. That
> creates attention, nothing to do with the NFL.

No, I believe the NFL and the media have also gone out of their way to
make Sapp a star.

>  He's now
> > got his own show on the NFL network with Strahan.
>
> Yeaup, a week after they fined him and warned him for his actions,
> they playcate his ability to generate attention by throwing him on a
> show. They slap his hand for saying a stupid ass slavery statement,
> then throw him in front of a camera to present their product. Am I
the
> only one that finds that utterly fucking funny?

I'm sure the Sapp/Strahan show was probably in the works for a little
while before the fine came down.

>  The NFL doesn't do
> > shit to limit his marketability, except tell him to leave his
fucking
> > helment on during the game and quit skipping through the other
teams'
> > stretch lines like a fucking idiot. In fact, I think the NFL has
been
> > too damned lenient with Sapp and players like him over the last
few
> > years. Now that they're trying to regain a little control, Sapp
cries
> > "slavery" and claims the NFL is out to get him.
> >
> > I can't believe you're buying into his bullshit, Buse.
>
> I can't belive you hate a player so fucking much, that you grow void
> of thought. What he said was utterly fucking retarded Greg, but stop
> being upper middle class white guy in his 30's, that's grown tired
of
> the new generation, and wants things to be the way the used to be.
It
> is who you really are, and that's fine and dandy...we're friends
after
> all, but Jesus man, you hate a player with such a passion that
you're
> willing to slam anything he does, or says.

"Void of thought"? Gimme a break, Buse. I've done my research, thought
it out, and formed my opinion. Sapp has done nothing to change my
opinion of him in the last year or so, if anything he's done even more
to solidify it. My opinion of him is not just about the slavery
statement. It's about the incident with Clifton and Sherman last year.
It's about the incident with Jerry Rice. It's about the stretch-line
skips. It's about bumping the ref. It's about the fact that he runs
his mouth before the game but is almost invisble after they lose. The
man is classless and unprofessional, two things that I have a problem
with no matter what "generation" you belong to.

> > Since when has the NFL said you can't spike the ball after
scoring?
>
> Since they fined Chad Johnston for doing as such three weeks ago.

I thought they fined him for a "throat-slash" gesture. Can you provide
a link?

> > All they want to control is choreographed scoring celebrations
that
> > are not only disrespectful, but take too damned much time.
>
> And allow players to enjoy the fact that they did one of the hardest
> feats in sports. Damn them for wanting to celebrate.

Yeah, damn them for taking the time to make up a "routine" to embarass
and disrespect their opponents. "Heat of the moment" celebration?
Spontaneous excitement? I'm all for it. 60-second touchdown dances?
Sharpies in the sock? Racing to mid-field to do a Christ pose? All
pre-planned, classless, and disrespectful.

> > So why doesn't he back off of and apologize for the "incorrect"
> > statement?
>
> I'm not Warren Sapp, I can't tell you why.

Because he's a classless jerk who feels he doesn't have to apologize
to anyone for anything, that's why.

>  And after hitting 17 sacks in
> > 2000 (a damned good year for any defensive lineman), he hasn't hit
> > double-digits since then.
>
> Doesn't mean he's not an incredible player.

I think it does. We'll have to agree to disagree.

> > Not very good for a "QB Killa". ;)
>
> We've traveled down this path. Its a stupid nickname :)

I agree. :)

> > The winter meetings are coming up, maybe they'll try to make some
> > moves then. But don't look for any bigtime free-agent signings of
any
> > big name (i.e. big contract) pitchers. The Rangers are looking to
cut
> > payroll to meet revenue, not increas payroll. It's part of the
reason
> > A-Rod has been so vocal lately, as it goes against everything
Hicks
> > told him when they signed him.
>
> Son of a bitch. I'm boycotting Rangers games-
>
> Wait, I don't go anyways.

BTW, did you see where A-Rod wants to CALL FUCKING PITCHES during the
game? Rumor is that's what the problem is between A-Rod and Showalter.
In-fucking-credible. If this is true, then I'm gonna lose some respect
for A-Rod.

Greg