Re: OT - Keyshawn

> Like I said, I've looked at the facts of the case and have formed an
> opinion that he was directly involved. Maybe he didn't actually stab
> anyone, but he was involved in the altercation (several witnesses
> stated that they sawy him punching and kicking the two men), then lied
> about it to police. Far as I'm concerned, he's a murderer.

That makes absolutely no sense, but ok, your opinion is just that, I
really can't say it's wrong.

> > I agree, but he's still damn good.
> 
> Average, maybe a little better than average. But damn good? Nah.

That's just out and out hatred for the man. I've shown you statistics,
accolades and even a Super Bowl ring. You still think he's less then
average, not much more I can do.
 
> > 9,10.5,7,12.5,16.5...just some sack numbers for someone that got
> > doubled teamed consistently before the emergence of Booger McFarland
> > and the signing of Simeon Rice. Still care to say he's overrated?
> > Hell, he had two picks last year, for a 2 gap DT, that's fucking
> > incredible. Former Defensive player of the year if I recall...I
>  don't
> > know, sounds like he's pretty damn good to me, Greg.
> 
> He's had double digit sacks three times in 8 seasons. Are those
> numbers good? Yes, they are. Stellar? Not for someone that claims to
> be the "QB Killa", IMO.

Boy you can't let that go, can you? It's a name, something to play up,
I don't think he actually meant he killed QB's, or that he was the
best pass rusher in the NFL. He's never said that, or claimed that.

 Compare that with Strahan, who's had
> double-digit sacks 7 of the last 8 seasons. Or Jevon Kearse, who's had
> double-digit sacks all but 1 of his 5 seasons. But those are all DE's,
> you say? Well, how about La'Roi Glover, who's averaging the same
> amount of sacks/g (.56) and *more* tckls/g (3.27/2.86) than Sapp? Or
> Bryant Young, who's averaging just a tad less sacks/g (.46/.56) but
> more tckls/g (3.06/2,86) than Sapp? Both DT's, neither get the ink or
> airtime that Sapp does. Why? Because Sapp is the self-proclaimed "QB
> Killa".

Are those this season? Or career stats? And you can't compare those
two to Sapp, due to the defensive schemes and how the team plays. Both
of those guys you mentioned are Pro Bowlers so they are obviously
extremely talented. Again, with the QB Killa. Let's do this Greg,
let's rip out every single athlete's ability to speak, Lord knows
grown men can't speak, and let's just make them play. No talking
damn't! None at all!

> My final word is this. Sapp is a talented player, just not as talented
> as he thinks he is and surely not talented enough to deserve the
> nickname "QB Killa" or to warrant the media hype he gets. To me, that
> amounts to Sapp being over-rated.

*sighs* Not much more I can say to prove that statement is wrong. It's
an opinion, and therefore you can't be wrong about it. I think it's
completely ridiculous, but shit, not like I haven't said some utterly
retarded stuff over the years.

> > > No, Buse, that's not respect. I respect a man that realizes when
>  he's
> > > said something stupid and WRONG and he apologizes for it.
> >
> > He doesn't feel he's wrong.
> 
> Which is the problem. Either he A) knows he's wrong and won't admit
> it, which makes him less of a man or B) actually believes that NFL
> players are like modern-day slaves, which makes him borderline
> retarded. Either way, it was a stupid thing to say and to not retract
> it is an act of a mule-headed big-mouth who believes his own hype.

Read above. It's his opinion, not matter what you think of it. If you
stand by what you say, in the face of people who tell you how wrong
you are, and how retarded you are, then you earn my respect. People
that waiver, and retract shit due to pressure are cowards. Sapp might
be an idiot for saying what he did, but god damn't, at least he stands
up and said...I said it, fuck you if you think I'm wrong.

> > > Don't, Buse. The man compared playing football for millions of
>  dollars
> > > per year to being beaten, raped, and forced to labor for little to
>  no
> > > compensation. It was a STUPID thing to say and the fact that he
>  was
> > > black is irrelevant.
> >
> > Hey man, I didn't say what he said was wholely accurate, but if you
> > can't see the merit behind what he feels, then that's just you. Like
>  I
> > mentioned, a rich men complaining about rich people doesn't drum up
> > sympathy from my poor as hell ass...I agree.
> 
> No, I can't see the merit in it. My upper management has done things I
> don't agree with, with the latest example being taking away our
> ability to use non-work-related electrical appliances (radios,
> coffee-makers, etc) in our cubes as part of a cost-cutting measure.
> So, can I say that that's akin to slave-masters telling us what to do?
> Sure I can. It would be idiotic, but I could say it.

You can't see merit in a league that makes millions off of someone's
likeness, yet limits their commercial ability by limiting facial
identity? You can't see the merit in the ability of a league to limit
every act you say, due to their over-protective nature? You can't see
the merit of someone complaining about a league that bitched and
moaned so loudly about something as little as an ESPN fictitional
show? You can't see the merit in someone locked into a system in which
the team gets rewards, the owners get the rewards and the players get
the rewards, but that the players have absolutely no freedom? You
think fining players for their socks being too low isn't ridiculous?
Or that players can't spike a fucking ball when they reach the
excitement of scoring?

Sure as fuck, everyone makes millions, but no one makes more then the
NFL, and no one controls their players quite like the NFL. I'm not
saying Sapp was correct. Comparing a millionaire to a slave insults
years of biggotry and hatred towards African-Americans. All I'm
saying, is that someone attempted to point out some injustices, did it
incorrectly, and is now getting slammed becuase he had something to
say.

> > > Again, we're talking intangibles here, and it's impossible to
>  argue
> > > intangibles. His stats are average at best, but he's popped off at
>  the
> > > mouth enough to be considered a "superstar". He's media-created,
>  Buse,
> > > he's not the real deal.
> >
> > Read above...by far not average for his position. Maybe he's media
> > created hype, but a shitload of players were as well. Ya think
>  Aikman
> > had stellar numbers? More then just numbers man, more then just
> hype.
> 
> Like I said, you cannot argue intangibles. Sapp may be well-respected
> by his teammates and a leader in the locker-room. He may very well be
> the glue that holds that defense together. But those are not what the
> media (or he) has hyped up. What's been hyped up is his on-field play
> and by the measure of on-field play (statistics), he is slightly
> better than average at best and steadily declining.

_Your_ opinion, not the opinion of nearly every NFL person in the know
that continually votes him one of the best year in and year out.
"Steadily declining"? Shit yes Greg, he's in his 10th or 11th year
playing DEFENSIVE TACKLE. Christ, is he supposed to get 18 sacks a
season playing one of the toughest positions in football?

> > > > - Think the Rangers can actually sign a pitcher?
> > >
> > > A pitcher? Yeah. A credible starter? Probably not. :(
> > >
> > > Greg
> >
> > DAMN'T WHY NOT?!?
> 
> In a nutshell? $13mil in essentially dead money in Park's contract.
> Folks can talk about A-Rod's contract all they want, but at least
> they're close to, if not right at, a legit ROI there. At least Hart
> was able to dump Everett and Urbina last year, two decent players that
> didn't fit in with the future plans here, and Juan's $12mil/yr
> contract is gone.
> 
> Besides, who's got credible young pitchers, especially starters, that
> they're willing to trade away or let sign somewhere else? Oakland's
> got their three studs signed through 2005, Florida's youngsters are
> tied up long-term (I believe), Wood/Prior aren't going anywhere, etc.

Coulda attempted to get Foulke. Or just made the pitch to sign
SOMEONE. I just want some fucking activity.

> The Rangers will do better next year, and may even crawl out of the
> cellar in the AL West. But until some of these guys in AA start coming
> up (Kozlowski, Wilson, etc), we may be in for a couple more years of
> stop-gap guys like Valdez, Lewis, and the like.
> 
> Greg

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