Re: OT - Keyshawn

> Gruden didn't inherit a goldmine in Los Angeles man. Yet, he made a
> team that made the AFC Championship twice and the Superbowl once
> [shoulda been twice].

Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, Gannon, Garner...he didn't inherit much? Boy I
must be lost...add to that Woodson, and a line that was pretty
dominant before he got there, I think you seemingly think he re-built
them. He didn't, he took them and ran. That still took talent, I won't
deny that, just didn't necessarily equate to what Marvin Lewis is
doing now.
 
> He took the same team Dungy could never win a Superbowl with, and won
> one.

Can't deny those facts, but you can't base that team off the coach. I
think they were a year away regardless of head coach. But, he did win,
Dungy didn't.

> Now, don't get me wrong... Dungy ain't a bad coach. Buuuut, you have
> one skewed view on Gruden.

Probably do.

> Like I said, and you never responded to, how is it that Gruden built
> the AFC team in last year's Superbowl yet he gets no credit for that
> from you -- yet, Dungy gets all the credit for the Bucs?

I didn't deny that he did that with Oakland. He deserves credit for
that. I didn't think he earned that much for the Bucs job. If I didn't
state that, I appologize.

> I know it's that time of the year when everyone beats up on the
> favorites... happens every year when the previous dominant team
> becomes human once again. But damn man, give Gruden some credit.
> 
> He may not be the best coach in the league [I'll cast my vote for
> Vermeil] but he's in the top five.

The fuck he is. Parcells, Vermeil, Reid, Jeff...gah, Tenn's coach, I
think Marvin Lewis is better _now_ then he is. Shit, Bellicheck
defintely is...maybe even Baltimore's head coach...christ I can't
think of names. I'd take all of them over Gruden. Part of that is
bias, part of that is my honest opinion. The guy just isn't a
God-send.

> > > Bob Morris
> > > Bill Callahan: One of many NFL coaches soon to be ex-NFL coaches after
> > > this season, along with Jauron, Spurrier, maybe Schottenheimer, maybe
> > > Williams, maybe Wannstedt... geez, the ex-NFL coach list could be a
> > > long one after this season ends.
> > 
> > I see all of them gone sans Spurrier. I think he'll wait one more
> > year. Wannstedt is a close call.
> 
> In Wannstedt can't win at least one playoff game this year, I'd say
> the Dolphins were fools for not firing him. I mean, he sucked in
> Chicago and so far, every team he's had in Miami has grossly
> underachieved.
> 
> It's time he puts up or shuts up.
> 
> I honestly don't think Schottenheimer will be gone from San Diego
> unless he decides to quit. I mean, hell... the intelligent folk in San
> Diego decide to get rid of the heart and soul of their defense with
> Rodney Harrison and Junior Seau and they expected what?

His job could be on the line if he continues to tell people that Drew
Brees is their future. Man, something happened to that guy this year,
can't say what...but something sure as hell did.

> I think he'll get another year. Maybe not... what the hell do I know.
> Not like we can predict this stuff, because the NFL is becoming as
> fickle with it's head coaches as baseball and basketball are with
> their's.
> 
> Jase

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