Re: OT - Keyshawn

> > Lighten up, Buse. We've gone at it worse than this before.
>
> Cranky, sorry.

No problem.

> > He admitted he lied to the police, Buse. That's what he pleaded
guilty
> > to.
>
> Lying doesn't mean you killed someone. It was wrong either way, bad
> decision, didn't mean he killed a man.

Like I said, I've looked at the facts of the case and have formed an
opinion that he was directly involved. Maybe he didn't actually stab
anyone, but he was involved in the altercation (several witnesses
stated that they sawy him punching and kicking the two men), then lied
about it to police. Far as I'm concerned, he's a murderer.

> > No, Buse, those are *career* numbers, not just numbers from this
> > season. His *career* numbers are average, compared to his
> > contemporaries (Moss, Owens, R. Smith, J. Smith, Harrison, etc)
and he
> > pales in comparison to the all-time greats (Rice, Largent, Carter,
> > even Irvin). Like I said, he's a good little receiver, but he's
far
> > from one of the NFL's elite.
>
> I agree, but he's still damn good.

Average, maybe a little better than average. But damn good? Nah.

> > Oh really? Stellar numbers? You'd better check that before you
make
> > that statement, Buse. Think this is the first time I've argued
Sapp's
> > merits with someone? You know better than that. I can quote them
for
> > you if you'd like, but I'll give you a chance to retract before I
do
> > that. ;)
>
> 9,10.5,7,12.5,16.5...just some sack numbers for someone that got
> doubled teamed consistently before the emergence of Booger McFarland
> and the signing of Simeon Rice. Still care to say he's overrated?
> Hell, he had two picks last year, for a 2 gap DT, that's fucking
> incredible. Former Defensive player of the year if I recall...I
don't
> know, sounds like he's pretty damn good to me, Greg.

He's had double digit sacks three times in 8 seasons. Are those
numbers good? Yes, they are. Stellar? Not for someone that claims to
be the "QB Killa", IMO. Compare that with Strahan, who's had
double-digit sacks 7 of the last 8 seasons. Or Jevon Kearse, who's had
double-digit sacks all but 1 of his 5 seasons. But those are all DE's,
you say? Well, how about La'Roi Glover, who's averaging the same
amount of sacks/g (.56) and *more* tckls/g (3.27/2.86) than Sapp? Or
Bryant Young, who's averaging just a tad less sacks/g (.46/.56) but
more tckls/g (3.06/2,86) than Sapp? Both DT's, neither get the ink or
airtime that Sapp does. Why? Because Sapp is the self-proclaimed "QB
Killa".

My final word is this. Sapp is a talented player, just not as talented
as he thinks he is and surely not talented enough to deserve the
nickname "QB Killa" or to warrant the media hype he gets. To me, that
amounts to Sapp being over-rated.

> > No, Buse, that's not respect. I respect a man that realizes when
he's
> > said something stupid and WRONG and he apologizes for it.
>
> He doesn't feel he's wrong.

Which is the problem. Either he A) knows he's wrong and won't admit
it, which makes him less of a man or B) actually believes that NFL
players are like modern-day slaves, which makes him borderline
retarded. Either way, it was a stupid thing to say and to not retract
it is an act of a mule-headed big-mouth who believes his own hype.

> > Don't, Buse. The man compared playing football for millions of
dollars
> > per year to being beaten, raped, and forced to labor for little to
no
> > compensation. It was a STUPID thing to say and the fact that he
was
> > black is irrelevant.
>
> Hey man, I didn't say what he said was wholely accurate, but if you
> can't see the merit behind what he feels, then that's just you. Like
I
> mentioned, a rich men complaining about rich people doesn't drum up
> sympathy from my poor as hell ass...I agree.

No, I can't see the merit in it. My upper management has done things I
don't agree with, with the latest example being taking away our
ability to use non-work-related electrical appliances (radios,
coffee-makers, etc) in our cubes as part of a cost-cutting measure.
So, can I say that that's akin to slave-masters telling us what to do?
Sure I can. It would be idiotic, but I could say it.

> > Again, we're talking intangibles here, and it's impossible to
argue
> > intangibles. His stats are average at best, but he's popped off at
the
> > mouth enough to be considered a "superstar". He's media-created,
Buse,
> > he's not the real deal.
>
> Read above...by far not average for his position. Maybe he's media
> created hype, but a shitload of players were as well. Ya think
Aikman
> had stellar numbers? More then just numbers man, more then just
hype.

Like I said, you cannot argue intangibles. Sapp may be well-respected
by his teammates and a leader in the locker-room. He may very well be
the glue that holds that defense together. But those are not what the
media (or he) has hyped up. What's been hyped up is his on-field play
and by the measure of on-field play (statistics), he is slightly
better than average at best and steadily declining.

> > > - Think the Rangers can actually sign a pitcher?
> >
> > A pitcher? Yeah. A credible starter? Probably not. :(
> >
> > Greg
>
> DAMN'T WHY NOT?!?

In a nutshell? $13mil in essentially dead money in Park's contract.
Folks can talk about A-Rod's contract all they want, but at least
they're close to, if not right at, a legit ROI there. At least Hart
was able to dump Everett and Urbina last year, two decent players that
didn't fit in with the future plans here, and Juan's $12mil/yr
contract is gone.

Besides, who's got credible young pitchers, especially starters, that
they're willing to trade away or let sign somewhere else? Oakland's
got their three studs signed through 2005, Florida's youngsters are
tied up long-term (I believe), Wood/Prior aren't going anywhere, etc.

The Rangers will do better next year, and may even crawl out of the
cellar in the AL West. But until some of these guys in AA start coming
up (Kozlowski, Wilson, etc), we may be in for a couple more years of
stop-gap guys like Valdez, Lewis, and the like.

Greg