Re: OT - Keyshawn

> > You're a smart guy, Buse, so get your head out of your ass.
>
> Lucky I know you, or I'd tell you to fuck off at this time period.

Lighten up, Buse. We've gone at it worse than this before.

> > The
> > "system" did not find that Lewis had no direct link, he cut a plea
> > deal to get out from under the charges and turned on his friends,
the
> > same friends that tried to protect him.
>
> For someone that wasn't involved with the investigation, you
seemingly
> know who did and didn't kill people. There's a surprise.

He admitted he lied to the police, Buse. That's what he pleaded guilty
to.

> > He lied throughout that entire
> > investigation, and it was only when a lawyer was able to get him a
> > chance him to plead guilty to a misdemeanor that he started
telling
> > the truth. Was I there? No. But somebody once told me that rarely
does
> > an innocent man lie, so as far as I'm concerned, he's a murderer.
>
> You're correct, you weren't there, no take off your "I KNOW THE
ENTIRE
> FUCKING STORY" hat, and politely stop.

I know the facts that have been reported and I've formed an opinion
based on those facts. Like I said, innocent men rarely lie to the
police during the course of a murder investigation.

> > The fact of the matter is, he's a good little receiver... but look
out
> > that window. *inside joke* There's any number of good little
receivers
> > in the league that will come play for you and give you *far* less
> > trouble than Keyshawn. Hell, Joey Galloway's got higher yds/rec
> > (15.2/13.2) and td/g (.42/.40) than Keyshawn, and is just a tad
lower
> > in yds/g (58/66). For a guy that's supposed to be one of the
elites,
> > that's pretty piss-poor.
>
> So the years of success he had are seemingly down the shitter,
right?
> The offense sputters this year, lord it must be Keyshawn's fault due
> to his bad numbers. As usual, you're taking your personal opinion of
> an individual, and letting it cloud fucking reality. Not surprised
> amigo :)

No, Buse, those are *career* numbers, not just numbers from this
season. His *career* numbers are average, compared to his
contemporaries (Moss, Owens, R. Smith, J. Smith, Harrison, etc) and he
pales in comparison to the all-time greats (Rice, Largent, Carter,
even Irvin). Like I said, he's a good little receiver, but he's far
from one of the NFL's elite.

> > Nothing to hurt his team? In a contract year, Warren Sapp is 11th
on
> > his team in tackles and the "QB Killa" has a whopping 5 sacks. And
in
> > their 6 losses this year? A tremendous 17 tackles and 0 sacks.
>
> 5 sacks for a DT that gets double teamed a shitload isn't that bad.

Save it, Buse. McFarland and Rice draw the doubleteams this season,
not Sapp.

> And if you're going to talk numbers, with Warren Sapp, then you're
> talking the wrong category. The guy has put up stellar numbers all
> career long, and if you combat that with your own idiotic opinion of
> someone that you've never met, then this is pointless.

Oh really? Stellar numbers? You'd better check that before you make
that statement, Buse. Think this is the first time I've argued Sapp's
merits with someone? You know better than that. I can quote them for
you if you'd like, but I'll give you a chance to retract before I do
that. ;)

> > Stupid
> > penalties (like the roughing call that put Indy at mid-field and
led
> > to a TD in their comeback win over TB), off-the-field idiocy, you
get
> > it all with Sapp. And as far as his heart, he told you all you
need to
> > know about his motivation in that softball interview he did when
CBS
> > tried to make a fucking martyr out of him. His team was losing,
his
> > performance was off, and he'd just had several run-ins with the
NFL
> > brass and what does he make an issue out of? The fact that nobody
can
> > see his face when he plays, oh and how much of a "slave" he is.
>
> Human's make mistakes, and it appears he made one. I admire someone
> that, no matter how fucking stupid the statement is, stands behind
> what they said, and what they do. That's called respect, regardless
of
> what you believe in.

No, Buse, that's not respect. I respect a man that realizes when he's
said something stupid and WRONG and he apologizes for it.

> The system is designed to be one in which the
> owners make a shitload and the players get paid quite well. It's
rich
> people splitting hairs over who's rich. No victims, no innocent
> parties...but if you took the time to listen to what he had to say,
it
> truly wasn't that far off base. You heard a black man mention
slavery,
> and you teed off. Nothing against that, but that's just reality.

Don't, Buse. The man compared playing football for millions of dollars
per year to being beaten, raped, and forced to labor for little to no
compensation. It was a STUPID thing to say and the fact that he was
black is irrelevant.

> > And as
> > far as "sole franchise player", he's not even the best player on
that
> > defense. Simeon Rice and Derrick Brooks say hello.
>
> I'll take Sapp's 8-10 years with that team over what anything Rice
> does. Rice is a one dimensional player...maybe the best pass rusher
in
> the NFL, I realize that, but isn't heads and shoulders better then
> Sapp. Brooks? Got no arguement here, but Sapp has been the heart and
> sole of that team for years.

Again, we're talking intangibles here, and it's impossible to argue
intangibles. His stats are average at best, but he's popped off at the
mouth enough to be considered a "superstar". He's media-created, Buse,
he's not the real deal.

> > Sapp is an overrated, selfish jerk and the media loves him. *That*
is
> > why I hate Warren Sapp.
> >
> > Greg
>
> Overrated might be one opinion, but a selfish jerk and random
opinions
> over someone you have no idea about personally, just leads this
battle
> we've had for years right back in a circle :)

I don't have to know him personally, Buse. His VERY public actions and
comments are enough.

> - Think the Rangers can actually sign a pitcher?

A pitcher? Yeah. A credible starter? Probably not. :(

Greg