Re: george question about work you did for me

No problem Bill. I'm sure that there are more customers who lost more money
then I did. I know personally 4 of them that spent almost double what I did.
You are one sick mf if you think that we are stupid enough to believe your
bull shit story.
I know of no one who likes to dump $4 to $6K on useless two stroke abortion
like that peace of shit you guys designed and sold to so many unsuspected
people. Talking to your friend at Chicago tour stop about this problem, he
smiled and said he gut taken for two of those specials, and he uses them for
door stops these words came out from the man who has build and won more
national races then you can count.  Needles to say he will never do any
business with you or your  pals. This crap would not resurface again if you
would keep your filthy mouth shot and quit undermining my name. Say ass
hole, who is telling you about my shop, my work and my personal life? Are
realy magician that can see things about people you never even came in
contact with?
Why are you coming back with bull shit stories when I told you that this
subject is finished?
If you keep on pushing this issue you may have your wish granted.
Now be a good boy pack and ship Douglas's cylinder to HPT Sport USA. Take
Millers advice quit using his name in your stupid arguments, if  you don't
you may have to go back building garages. Man you are ugly old SOB.
GJG

"BILL ONEAL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> George,
> Still stuck in that same old mindset, huh?
>
> George,
> You know the truth about that clyinder deal. The whole reason I alerted
you
> about those sleeves in the first place, before you told me to send it, was
> so that you could back out of the purchase. Oh no, you were the best
> machinist on the planet and you could fix anything.
>
> BTW, you are not so "special". I always collect the money before I send a
> customer their goods. It saves on having to get the parts back when their
> credit cards are denied.
>
> Bill O'Neal
> WCM
> "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Carpenter, try to engage your brain in gear, before dropping the clutch.
> The
> > lawsuit accuses 11 people of conspiracy, not just me.  Yes I will look
at
> > that VE 920 master peace you sold me as long as it sits on my bench to
> > remind me how you have deceived this tuner. Let me refresh your memory,
> good
> > body. You promoted that project from the very beginning of its origin.
You
> > continued sales of that product even after you ware informed about its
> high
> > rate of failure which I knew nothing at that time. The only success was
> > realized by customers who purchased cylinders done by Miller. Why? The
> > reason is this. Miller had direct exes to manufacturer, he would
> personally
> > select best casting and even then he had to invest extra time on
> correcting
> > them. Scrap rate of these castings was astronomical, which eventually
lead
> > to completed shot down of the project when manager of plant discovered
> huge
> > loss due to casing imperfections. The record of this abortion is long
and
> > solid. Many people who invested in 920 big bore kit have lost small
> fortune
> > in trying to get it to work. Some of the tuners even suggested to use
duct
> > tape on carburetor intake to reduce seizures due to nasty short
circuiting
> > of transfer ports, not to mansion constant seizure related to placing of
a
> > bust ports at piston ring openings. I should have know that some thing
was
> > fishy about this top end when you requested prepayment for the parts
long
> be
> > fore shipment. After receiving this master peace I look at it with
> > disbelieve. The "O" ring grove in the sleeve was machined off center
with
> > 0.005" wall thickness at the outside diameter. After talking to you
about
> > possibility of losing sealing area of the "O" ring you suggested I use
JB
> > weld to provide extra support for the ring.
> > I was amazed with your idea, and I refused to fallow your suggestion. At
> > that time I requested another cylinder, what I got from you is set of
> sleeve
> > which I had to re install, bore and port  cylinder at my personal
expense.
> > When I ask you about possibility of piston failure due to ring ends
> > protruding in to bust ports, you stated that there are hundreds of
engines
> > running with out any piston failure. Wrong, after only 8 hrs of running
my
> > engine lost 200 rpm. Guess why? There ware two vertical lines in each
> > cylinder bore doe to ring end damage to cylinder wall. After losing two
> > Honda pistons, and many hours of labor I ask you to help in solving this
> > problem. I know you did your best trying, but it was not what I wanted.
> Only
> > after long arguments I was offered   "BETTER" cylinder but with out new
> > pistons, and I had to sine document which basically demanded my total
> > silence regarding this abortion. I refused and rest is history. I bore
the
> > cylinder, repositioned locating pins for piston rings at astronomical
cost
> > of parts and labor approaching $ 3000.00. To save my customers from huge
> > monetary loss and down time I re designed cylinder liner, submitted it
to
> > Linda and rest is a history. HPT built 920 engines run just fine thank
> you.
> > My personal water craft is going strong to this day sense my rework .
That
> > is the true story, no meter how you twist it, the record of so many 920
VE
> > owners still lingers to this day, must of them solve their problems by
> > selling their water craft at huge loss.
> >
> > My mental condition is in good hands thank you, if I ware you I would
have
> > my head examined by sex therapist. You are disgrace to family and avery
> > descend lady, by posting nude pictures and engaging in sick
conversations
> it
> > is evident that you are not well. Bill you should have elongated hole
> placed
> > on your head so you can satisfy your needs avery time you get horny.
> > Your wife should take that camera and stick it up your ass.
> >
> > I'm not interested in opinion from carpenters, chop shop operators, two
> > stroke rapists, slick sales man and magicians.
> > I exposed shady characters be for and I will continue as long as I live.
> > Freedom and truth always was and continue to be costly. But the price is
> > worth the efforts of preventing those who understand what I'm talking
> about
> > from being ripped off.
> >
> > The reason why Doug's cylinder is coming back to HPT sport is simple.
> Unlike
> > many experts which you promote who never even think of prevention I will
> do
> > leakage test be for boring job. Cylinder will be heated to about 150 F
> then
> > tested using argon gas at 250 or higher  pressure.  only then cylinder
> will
> > be bored, and exhaust ports chamfered to maintain original port time
area.
> > It will not be a free job, you hallucinating again. Bill I know how hard
> it
> > is for you be humiliated in public but you done it to your self and all
by
> > your self with your sneaky attitude towards this tuner. You seceded in
> > misinforming my customer, but you fail to by pass higher power. Your
> remark
> > regarding Group K sticker is low blow attempt to farther inflame already
> > existing nasty situation. You are one sick poppy who is lost with out
> > support of good people whom you so frequently use and abuse in this NG.
> Yes
> > Miller is good friend and I'm sure he was not making stupid remarks at
my
> > numbers pertaining to professional cylinder evaluation and data which is
> > used by avery engine designer and manufacturer on this planet.
> >
> > I suggest that you realy get serious about paying back for the loss
which
> I
> > sustained  with that 920 contraption, put it to rest and go on with your
> > assembly work. Statement which you made regarding this subject can only
> work
> > against your character.
> > Yes I may have to look at the screw up 920 cylinder parts for rest of my
> > life, but what dos it say about you?
> > This subject is finished, period.
> > George Ski
> > HPT Sport USA
> > www.hpt-sport.com
> > 270-898-2617
> >
> >
> > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > George,
> > > I never posted anything derogatory about you or that clyinder. Again,
> you
> > > take this opportunity to make a mountian from a molehill. You pound
your
> > > chest like an ape. You tell me what I know and what I don't know, yet
> you
> > > have never known me and do not know what I do, or what I am capable
of.
> > You
> > > speak as though Mel Miller is your buddy. You haven't a clue. When I
> read
> > > him all the specs on that clyinder that you posted here, he just
laughed
> !
> > > Asked me what kind of idiot tries to impess the world with his
rambling
> > > posts that mean absoultly nothing to anyone other than himself. Truth
> is,
> > he
> > > thinks less of you now than ever.
> > >
> > > You speak of lawsuits, slander and libel. Yet you are the wrost
offender
> > > ever to post here. I do not enjoy seeing anyone in court, but I surely
> > > understand why you are there, if anyone from this newsgroup deserves
to
> be
> > > there, it is you. You are so immature, you continue to bash away at
> people
> > > you don't even know.
> > >
> > > I hope you look at that VE clyinder each and every day for the rest of
> > your
> > > life. And someday, the reality of how you ended up with it will
somehow
> > come
> > > back to you in that fog in your head. You can rant and rave all you
> want,
> > > but you know it was your choice, against my better judgement, to send
> you
> > > that clyinder. You paid dealer cost for it, I did not make money from
> the
> > > sale, but I have endured your twisted BS about it ever since. I made
> every
> > > attempt possible to hook you up with the right people to solve that
> > problem,
> > > yet you never acknowledged it once in all of your rants about it. You
> need
> > > to take the responsibility for your decisions, and quit blaming the
> world
> > > for your mistakes. Repeat after me, " I George Grabroski, am the best
> two
> > > stroke machinist, and I can fix anything, so send me that clyinder".
> Those
> > > were pretty much your words when you ordered me to send it to you. If
> you
> > > really try had enough, you just might remember saying those words to
me.
> > >
> > > You are a mentally disturbed old man who needs professional help.
Living
> > > alone has made you even more beligerent and hateful. I hope for your
> sake,
> > > and those around you, that you start growing again, and stop
regressing.
> > >
> > > And BTW, wether you know it or not, you have been "dismissed" by the
> rest
> > of
> > > this industry for years.
> > >
> > > Doug asked me to send his clyinder back to you for a free boring job
and
> a
> > > new flow test. I will be happy to oblidge him. Do you want me to
remove
> > the
> > > GroupK sticker? :)
> > >
> > > Here is to hoping that you make a full recovery and become a
productive
> > > participant in the few years you have left on this planet. Now, go eat
> > your
> > > oatmeal.
> > >
> > > Bill O'Neal
> > > WCM
> > >
> > > Bill O'Neal
> > > WCM
> > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > As instructed, pick up cylinder from Miller and ship it to.
> > > >
> > > > HPT Sport USA
> > > > 930 Bryant Ford Rd.
> > > > Paducah KY 42003.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not interested in your conniving poetry. I know that you
> > deliberately
> > > > mislead my customer, and attempted to use your best friend to create
> > > > negative opinion about HPT Sport USA.
> > > > You under estimated Miller and his character. I know from very
> beginning
> > > > that he would never provide bogus information never. I have not meet
> him
> > > in
> > > > person, but in dealing with him  I recognize man with integrity
which
> > you
> > > > will never achieve.
> > > > I was right, truth has prevailed and this subject is history. I
> strongly
> > > > suggest that you repay $ 2000 which you manage to swindle from me
for
> > that
> > > > useless 920 VE peace of crap. As long as it sits on my table I will
be
> > > > remained how once I respected you, and how you turn out to be in
real
> > > life.
> > > > Take this to hard you ugly SOB. Learn how to do porting evaluation
in
> > > person
> > > > be for you open your fitly mouth again. HP is directly proportional
to
> > air
> > > > flow in cylinder, BMEP is by product of Port Time Area.
> > > > Evaluation of port timing by visual inspection means nothing, zero.
> > > > Dimensions also do not produce entire picture, uneven chamfering of
a
> > port
> > > > alone will change air flow drastically. The only way to balance port
> > > timing
> > > > and direction of  flow in to a chamber is by air flow measurements
of
> > each
> > > > port individually. The ignorance exhibited by you and so call highly
> > > > educated supporters of yours, has proven again how realy stupid you
> and
> > > they
> > > > are. Judging by missing professional response on this NG to my basic
> 30
> > > > question posted early, you and rest of your backers are still
> operating
> > in
> > > > dark age. Only one person responded to what could have bin
interesting
> > > > educational experience for this NG. Carpenter you became good field
> > tuner
> > > > parts sealer and assembler, stay there, do not embark on job you
have
> no
> > > > means to evaluate, must of all do not involve people who literarily
> put
> > > > bread on your table by providing you with quality machine shop
> service.
> > > >
> > > > That is all, you dismissed.
> > > >
> > > > "BILL ONEAL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > George,
> > > > > Are you an idiot?
> > > > > Go back and re-read all of my posts on this subject from the
> begining.
> > > > > Either you cannot read, or comprhend plain english, or, like I
> suspect
> > > to
> > > > > are just to stupid to acknowledge what I wrote.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > WCM
> > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Bull shit magician. Mill has not measured or evaluated ports
until
> I
> > > > call
> > > > > > him and ask him to do it for the record.  Quit hiding behind his
> > name,
> > > > if
> > > > > > you so sure about his statement to you, how about invading him
to
> > post
> > > > > > response in person on this NG, it will never happen because he
> would
> > > > never
> > > > > > make such a foolish remark as you like for us to believe. His
> > > > measurements
> > > > > > are exact as that of the original port time area designed and
> ported
> > > by
> > > > > this
> > > > > > tuner. I ask Miller if cylinder in his possession is ported? Yes
> it
> > is
> > > > > > ported was his reply. You are conniving slick sales man, if
there
> > was
> > > at
> > > > > > least minute amount of decency in you, you would apologize and
> quit
> > > > making
> > > > > > fool out of man who helps you to survive in your busines. My
offer
> > > still
> > > > > > stands. Sent cylinder to Harry or Giz for port time evaluation
be
> > for
> > > > > boring
> > > > > > job, or to any shop that can do port flow evaluation. If it dos
> not
> > > > > > correspond to my posted data I will refund money  to Douglas and
> > ship
> > > > him
> > > > > > new cylinder.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > Geogre,
> > > > > > > That is a total lie.  Mel told me exactly what he found.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You are so full of BS you believe it yourself.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > Bill I talk to Miller, he never said anything about cylinder
> > > porting
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > or any one else. I never had any problem with Miller period.
> > Quit
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > unfounded remarks. As far as Harry is concerned I did not
> attack
> > > > him,
> > > > > he
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > the one who begun his accusations towards me and my son Mark
> > That
> > > > > record
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > available in one of the PWCI magazines.
> > > > > > > > Ironically it has to do with identical subject involved in
> this
> > > > tread,
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > flow bench work.
> > > > > > > > Even so I do not have any hard feelings against Harry.
> > > > > > > > Look at the beginning of this ongoing tread, I did not do a
> > single
> > > > > thing
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > provoke these arguments. It was you who misdirected my
> customer,
> > > it
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > who could not wait  to smear my name again. If you had the
> brain
> > > > > > capacity
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > evaluate my porting work you would never suggested or even
> think
> > > of
> > > > > > > getting
> > > > > > > > involved with this mass. Bill you are double face ugly
dude..
> > > > > > > > I'm going to respect wishes of my customer, this subject is
> > > > finished,
> > > > > > pick
> > > > > > > > up cylinder from Miller and ship it to my shop, and when you
> > make
> > > > > extra
> > > > > > > > money sent it to me as well. I will return your 920 master
> peace
> > > top
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > > which you rip me off at the rate of $ 2000.00. Just do it
and
> I
> > > will
> > > > > > > pretend
> > > > > > > > that you do not exist.
> > > > > > > > GJG
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > George,
> > > > > > > > > I did not "supply Douglas with bogus information" from a
> > visual
> > > > > > > inspection
> > > > > > > > > that I made. I told him what Mel told me after he looked
at
> > the
> > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > called me.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Again, you continue to mix the facts with your version of
> the
> > > > truth.
> > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > continue to lie to the people here to make yourself look
> good
> > > and
> > > > > try
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > discredit me and  others.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why do you continue to act like a child ?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Truth is, you know very little about what the rest of this
> > > > industry
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > doing, or is capable of doing. You don't know me, Harry,
Mel
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > others you continue to put down.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is sad to see a talented man, such as yourself,
stooping
> to
> > > > such
> > > > > > low
> > > > > > > > > levels to promote yourself and your business.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Here are the facts. Try to comphrend them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I relayed a message to Douglas from Mel.
> > > > > > > > > Watercraft Magic is not charging Douglas a dime.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Those two facts alone blow all of your last several
remarks
> > > about
> > > > me
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > involvement in this deal clean out of the water. You
> > fabricated
> > > in
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > twisted mind all of what you are blaming me for.
> > > > > > > > > You are pathetic. Go see a shrink, before it is too late.
I
> > > still
> > > > > hold
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > hope for you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Your best friend on the west coast,
> > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > Carpenter. You cannot even begin to comprehend basics in
> > fine
> > > > art
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > flow
> > > > > > > > > > bench work. If you had any brains you would never
supplied
> > > bogus
> > > > > > data
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > Douglas based on your ability to evaluated port work by
> > > looking
> > > > at
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > Yes
> > > > > > > > > > sir  you are first class magician that's for sure. Cow
> that
> > > > makes
> > > > > > lots
> > > > > > > > > noise
> > > > > > > > > > produces small quantity of milk. Go back and bull shit
> > people
> > > at
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > exclusive private news group center, this place has
> nothing
> > to
> > > > > offer
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > man
> > > > > > > > > > of your qualifications who has to run round town like a
> > > delivery
> > > > > boy
> > > > > > > > > looking
> > > > > > > > > > for machine shop to bore a cylinders. How many times
> Miller
> > > told
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > > > your mouth shot?
> > > > > > > > > > Billy you are not only homely outside, you are ugly
inside
> > > even
> > > > > > more.
> > > > > > > > > > How in the world your wife puts up with you and your
porno
> > > > > pictures,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > newer understand
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > George,
> > > > > > > > > > > The only thing obivious is that your customer has
asked
> > for
> > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > opinion,
> > > > > > > > > > > which he got.
> > > > > > > > > > > You obiviously know nothing of my experences in engine
> > > > building,
> > > > > > > flow
> > > > > > > > > > > testing, tuning or anything else.
> > > > > > > > > > > It is VERY obivious that you will say something about
> > > someone
> > > > > > > whenever
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > suits your purposes, no matter if it is truth or
> fiction.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Huff and puff, beat your chest all you want, you are
> still
> > a
> > > > > > little
> > > > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > stopes very litl
> > > > > > > > > > > on the big map that makes up the powersports world.
You
> > > might
> > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > conversing
> > > > > > > > > > > without all the name calling and finger pointing.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hammer boy. It is obvious that you have no
experience
> > what
> > > > so
> > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > art of flow bench work. There are many idiots like
you
> > in
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > > business
> > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > think that bigger hole makes more power. Not so,
flow
> > rate
> > > > > true
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > > > begins at the cylinder bottom , it's velocity and
> > > direction
> > > > of
> > > > > > > flow
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > determined along the entire port surface, roof of
the
> > > port,
> > > > > > > > horizontal
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > vertical angles, not at the port opening alone.
Write
> > this
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > understand what it means, you  skinny dipstick
> Transfer
> > > port
> > > > > > > opening
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > timing determines blow down area which sets the tone
> for
> > a
> > > > > power
> > > > > > > > band
> > > > > > > > > > > width,
> > > > > > > > > > > > upper and lower rpm range of engine and operating
> > > parameters
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > tuned
> > > > > > > > > > > pipe.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously you do not have a clue what it means when
I
> > said
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > transfer
> > > > > > > > > > > > ports set up on this engine at 3600 rpm wide, low
4900
> > > high
> > > > > > 8500.
> > > > > > > > How
> > > > > > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > > > do you spin your crank tricky dickey? How many 951
> > engines
> > > > you
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > turning
> > > > > > > > > > > > 8500 rpm? As far as exhaust timing is concerned it
is
> > way
> > > up
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > monster to begin with. Some OEM cylinders set at 200
> > > degree
> > > > > > > duration
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > factory. How much more timing you think this engine
> can
> > > > handle
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > customer
> > > > > > > > > > > > requests lasting power plant and wants to run it on
> pump
> > > > fuel.
> > > > > > > Read
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > > response again you jerk. Exhaust Port Time Area as
it
> > was
> > > > set
> > > > > up
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > shop
> > > > > > > > > > > > was good  @ 7450 rpm. With additional base gasket
> > sandwich
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > cylinder
> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > ready for serious racing at much higher rpm. How
many
> > all
> > > > out
> > > > > > race
> > > > > > > > > > machine
> > > > > > > > > > > > run on pump fuel in your neck of the woods? Your
brain
> > is
> > > so
> > > > > > > warped
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > cant see straight lines any more. Douglas requested
> > > > > compression
> > > > > > > > ratio
> > > > > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > > > > for pump gas, that is what he received. All out race
> > > engine
> > > > > > > > requires,
> > > > > > > > > > > higher
> > > > > > > > > > > > octane fuel and change in compression ratio, where
> have
> > > you
> > > > > bin
> > > > > > > > > > carpenter?
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > had his head in my shop to do so. For reason unknown
> to
> > me
> > > > he
> > > > > > ask
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > send
> > > > > > > > > > > > that head back. That is all I know. Now regarding
> stupid
> > > > > remark
> > > > > > > made
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > top of this post by people who graduated from same
> alley
> > > > shop
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > did.
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > say this. If you guys do not have the knowledge
> > regarding
> > > > port
> > > > > > > > timing,
> > > > > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > > > time area, and do not understand how this is tied to
> a
> > > > horse
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > tuned system, keep you ignorant remarks to your
self.
> I
> > > have
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > answer
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > morons like you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bagger ports, mean nothing if entire system is not
> > working
> > > > > > > together.
> > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > have exhaust ports big enough to stick you dumb head
> > true
> > > > it,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > transfer
> > > > > > > > > > > > cut bigger then your ass, it amounts to nothing,
nada,
> > > zero,
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > > > case
> > > > > > > > > > > > power delivery will be determined by induction
system
> > size
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > > > and read cage or rotary valve duration.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Scott I suggest that you go back to what you do
best.
> > > > Assemble
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > engines
> > > > > > > > > > > > using professionally made parts, tuned it and enjoy
> some
> > > one
> > > > > > > else's
> > > > > > > > > > > knowlage
> > > > > > > > > > > > which made  it all possible. As for you carpenter go
> > back
> > > to
> > > > > > > > removing
> > > > > > > > > > PTO
> > > > > > > > > > > > and Flywheels using pipe wrench and hammer. Sell
after
> > > > market
> > > > > > > > products
> > > > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > > > ware made by smarter people then you ever will be.
> When
> > > you
> > > > > make
> > > > > > > > > enough
> > > > > > > > > > > > money, pleas send my $ 2000 dollars back for the 920
> VE
> > > > > > abortion
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > sold
> > > > > > > > > > > > to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Be good to Miller and SBT with out them you would
have
> > to
> > > go
> > > > > > back
> > > > > > > > > > building
> > > > > > > > > > > > garages. Who knows it may happen sooner then you
> think.
> > > PS.
> > > > > Even
> > > > > > > > > guryla
> > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > learn how to assemble simple two stroke motor. I
give
> > you
> > > a
> > > > > > credit
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > > > the slickest  sales man in water craft business and
> good
> > > > tuner
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > well,
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > to mansion the ugliest SOB on water and land. LOL
> > > > > > > > > > > >  That is all, you dismissed.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > George Grabowski
> > > > > > > > > > > > HPT Sport USA
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill you are so fool of crap that you cant even
> see
> > > > > clearly
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > more.
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > call
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Miller to verify if the cylinder in his shop has
> HPT
> > > > > serial
> > > > > > > > number
> > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > did and it is the cylinder which I ported. I ask
> > > Miller
> > > > if
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > made
> > > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > evaluation as to port specification he said he
did
> > > not.
> > > > I
> > > > > > also
> > > > > > > > ask
> > > > > > > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > made any remarks regarding porting work he said
> no.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So, just like I said, We made no performance
> comments
> > > > about
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > clyinder"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Where's the lie?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Fallowing day I pull
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > complete record of this job, I call Miller again
> and
> > > ask
> > > > > him
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > measure ports, he said he will when time
permits.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today he call me and provided measurements of
the
> > > ports.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, He called me too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Due to wear on cylinder he could not measure
port
> > > height
> > > > > > > > precisely
> > > > > > > > > > > best
> > > > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could do is to measure exhaust port height at
it's
> > > > tangent
> > > > > > > point
> > > > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > > > flat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > surface begins and at the bottom of the  port.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > His dimensions are from the cylinder top.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exhaust port height  = 38.72 mm flat  and 39.44
mm
> > to
> > > > > > radius.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 64.3 mm at widest point and 60.4 mm at main
> transfer
> > > > > > opening.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main transfers 62.64 mm from deck.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 th port  63.18 mm from deck.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline, is the exhaust port was widened 2mm
and
> > the
> > > > main
> > > > > > > boost
> > > > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > raised up a bit and the rest was "shined up" with
a
> > > > sanding
> > > > > > > wheel.
> > > > > > > > A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > recreational port job at best.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry about Douglas, by now he is
beginning
> to
> > > > > realize
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > another victim of  self centered greedy
carpenter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What part of "WATERCRAFT MAGIC STANDS TO GAIN NO
> > PROFIT"
> > > > do
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > understand, George? Are you retarded?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Just who made the profit here? It seems Doug asked
> for
> > > "SS
> > > > > > > closed
> > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > > porting" (see first post in this thread) and he
got
> > > > > > recreational
> > > > > > > > > > > porting.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Did he pay for recreational porting? Do you know
the
> > > > > > difference?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe that explains why we NEVER see HPT ported
> racers
> > > at
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > tech
> > > > > > > > > > tent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > after a race......
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Give it a rest you blowhard. BTW, Doug aploigized
to
> > me
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > morning
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dragging me back into your BS web.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
> in
> > > > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have become a delusional old man in your
> > > > retirment.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no "conspiracy" against HPT Sport
from
> > me,
> > > > > Doug
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > Miller.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact is that Doug wanted an "evalaution"
> done
> > on
> > > > his
> > > > > > > > > clyinder,
> > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked me to forward it to Mel to have him
check
> it
> > > > out.
> > > > > > Mel
> > > > > > > > told
> > > > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looked at it and saw no great amount of
porting
> > had
> > > > been
> > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > He
> > > > > > > > > > > said
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared that you had "shined up the ports
> some".
> > He
> > > > > said
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several thousandths of taper and one hole was
> > > several
> > > > > > > > > thousandths
> > > > > > > > > > > > larger
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than the other. He said it needed to be bored.
> > > Nothing
> > > > > > more,
> > > > > > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > less.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did not comment on the performance
> capabilities
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > clyinder,
> > > > > > > > > > > > nor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I comment on the performance capabilities of
> this
> > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I emailed Doug. I told Doug that if he wanted
it
> > > > ported
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > racing,
> > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cost $500.00 to have Mel do it right. I also
> told
> > > him
> > > > to
> > > > > > > send
> > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pistons so that it could be bored and honed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you think using Miller's machine shop is
> > somehow
> > > a
> > > > > bad
> > > > > > > > thing,
> > > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorely mistaken. His work is excellent.
> Watercraft
> > > > Magic
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about providing excellent racing engines to
our
> > > > > customers.
> > > > > > > To
> > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > that,
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CHOOSE to use the best machinist in the
> business.
> > > > Unlike
> > > > > > > you,
> > > > > > > > > Mel
> > > > > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use an old Bridgeport for boring clyinders,
and
> he
> > > > does
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > handheld
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hone for honing. He uses the best German
boring
> > bar
> > > > > made,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > Sunnen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precision honing machine for the finish
touches
> to
> > > his
> > > > > > > > > clyinders.
> > > > > > > > > > > His
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lathe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not some Chinese POS like yours.
Personally,
> I
> > > have
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > wonder
> > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taper and the different bore sizes are from
when
> > you
> > > > > > > machined
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came afterward. I will not speculate on that
> > though,
> > > > as
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done almost three years ago, so I will give
you
> > the
> > > > > > benefit
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even knowing what type of equiptment you have
to
> > > work
> > > > > > with.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My customers' clyinders that I have him
(Miller)
> > > > > machine,
> > > > > > > bore
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me are sitting right on the bench next to
> several
> > > > > > clyinders
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > Team
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kawasaki Racing. In fact, most of the top
racing
> > > teams
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > world
> > > > > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Miller for their machining and porting. For
you
> to
> > > say
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > Watercraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is somwhow less than good for using Miller Two
> > > Stroke
> > > > > > > > > Engineering
> > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > machine shop, and eluding to the fact that it
> > would
> > > be
> > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > HPT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hack out a bunch of crap from a trailer is
> > > > ludricrious,
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > > best.
> > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows just how out of touch with reality that
> you
> > > are.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody told Doug that your porting job was
> "bad".
> > In
> > > > > fact,
> > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > reading
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these posts here, I can't even find where Doug
> > said
> > > it
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > > bad.
> > > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one who has jumped to conclusions, and are
> > spouting
> > > > the
> > > > > > > normal
> > > > > > > > > > crap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how bad my work is and how great you are. I
> > > certainly
> > > > > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything less from you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug asked what a REAL port job would cost
him,
> > and
> > > > Mel
> > > > > > said
> > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for $500.00. He also said he really did not
want
> > to
> > > > > touch
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because it has HPT engraved on the end of it.
He
> > > said
> > > > > > > "nothing
> > > > > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > become of this if George is involved", or
> > something
> > > to
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > effect.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now quit blowing smoke up everybody's ass,
> > pounding
> > > on
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > chest
> > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ape. Doug sent you a clyinder for porting, you
> > > charged
> > > > > ( I
> > > > > > > > > assume)
> > > > > > > > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minimal amount to port it, and he got a
minimial
> > > > porting
> > > > > > job
> > > > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Period.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to call him names, and there
is
> > no
> > > > need
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > BS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with me, either. You are not the center of the
> > > > universe
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might think.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No wonder you are in court spending your money
> on
> > > > > defense
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lawyers..........
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WCM stands to make no profit from sending that
> > > > clyinder
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > Miller
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evaulate for Doug.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Douglas. Are you suddenly became mentally
> > > retarded?
> > > > > > What
> > > > > > > > > > > happened?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fall
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > off the ski and hit the river bottom. Go
read
> > your
> > > > > > > original
> > > > > > > > > > post.
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give crap what carpenter told you, he cant
> even
> > > bore
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > cylinder
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shop, and you believe in his ability to look
> at
> > > > > cylinder
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > evaluate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > timing with his pipe wrench and hammer ?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You sound and smell like used up useless old
> > puss.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you want to race all out mod machine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Invest your time with your kid and your
wife.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Blewbyou2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also george what accusations did i make
> toward
> > > you
> > > > ?
> > > > > i
> > > > > > > > dont
> > > > > > > > > > > > remember
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making an accutation toward you , or your
> work
> > ,
> > > i
> > > > > > came
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was being TOLD something about my cylinder
,
> > and
> > > > > > wanted
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > explination
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,as to why this person was telling me
this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is not slander my good buddy .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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