Re: george question about work you did for me

Bill:
About time you put the old fart in his place. All you have to do is read his
post and you can understand why he is in court.

Heck I  can't think of many people who reply to his post that he hasn't
threatened to sue. Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it.

Have a great holiday Bill and don't let old PUFF PUFF get to you.
Gary Harris

"W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> George,
> I never posted anything derogatory about you or that clyinder. Again, you
> take this opportunity to make a mountian from a molehill. You pound your
> chest like an ape. You tell me what I know and what I don't know, yet you
> have never known me and do not know what I do, or what I am capable of.
You
> speak as though Mel Miller is your buddy. You haven't a clue. When I read
> him all the specs on that clyinder that you posted here, he just laughed !
> Asked me what kind of idiot tries to impess the world with his rambling
> posts that mean absoultly nothing to anyone other than himself. Truth is,
he
> thinks less of you now than ever.
>
> You speak of lawsuits, slander and libel. Yet you are the wrost offender
> ever to post here. I do not enjoy seeing anyone in court, but I surely
> understand why you are there, if anyone from this newsgroup deserves to be
> there, it is you. You are so immature, you continue to bash away at people
> you don't even know.
>
> I hope you look at that VE clyinder each and every day for the rest of
your
> life. And someday, the reality of how you ended up with it will somehow
come
> back to you in that fog in your head. You can rant and rave all you want,
> but you know it was your choice, against my better judgement, to send you
> that clyinder. You paid dealer cost for it, I did not make money from the
> sale, but I have endured your twisted BS about it ever since. I made every
> attempt possible to hook you up with the right people to solve that
problem,
> yet you never acknowledged it once in all of your rants about it. You need
> to take the responsibility for your decisions, and quit blaming the world
> for your mistakes. Repeat after me, " I George Grabroski, am the best two
> stroke machinist, and I can fix anything, so send me that clyinder". Those
> were pretty much your words when you ordered me to send it to you. If you
> really try had enough, you just might remember saying those words to me.
>
> You are a mentally disturbed old man who needs professional help. Living
> alone has made you even more beligerent and hateful. I hope for your sake,
> and those around you, that you start growing again, and stop regressing.
>
> And BTW, wether you know it or not, you have been "dismissed" by the rest
of
> this industry for years.
>
> Doug asked me to send his clyinder back to you for a free boring job and a
> new flow test. I will be happy to oblidge him. Do you want me to remove
the
> GroupK sticker? :)
>
> Here is to hoping that you make a full recovery and become a productive
> participant in the few years you have left on this planet. Now, go eat
your
> oatmeal.
>
> Bill O'Neal
> WCM
>
> Bill O'Neal
> WCM
> "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > As instructed, pick up cylinder from Miller and ship it to.
> >
> > HPT Sport USA
> > 930 Bryant Ford Rd.
> > Paducah KY 42003.
> >
> > I'm not interested in your conniving poetry. I know that you
deliberately
> > mislead my customer, and attempted to use your best friend to create
> > negative opinion about HPT Sport USA.
> > You under estimated Miller and his character. I know from very beginning
> > that he would never provide bogus information never. I have not meet him
> in
> > person, but in dealing with him  I recognize man with integrity which
you
> > will never achieve.
> > I was right, truth has prevailed and this subject is history. I strongly
> > suggest that you repay $ 2000 which you manage to swindle from me for th
at
> > useless 920 VE peace of crap. As long as it sits on my table I will be
> > remained how once I respected you, and how you turn out to be in real
> life.
> > Take this to hard you ugly SOB. Learn how to do porting evaluation in
> person
> > be for you open your fitly mouth again. HP is directly proportional to
air
> > flow in cylinder, BMEP is by product of Port Time Area.
> > Evaluation of port timing by visual inspection means nothing, zero.
> > Dimensions also do not produce entire picture, uneven chamfering of a
port
> > alone will change air flow drastically. The only way to balance port
> timing
> > and direction of  flow in to a chamber is by air flow measurements of
each
> > port individually. The ignorance exhibited by you and so call highly
> > educated supporters of yours, has proven again how realy stupid you and
> they
> > are. Judging by missing professional response on this NG to my basic 30
> > question posted early, you and rest of your backers are still operating
in
> > dark age. Only one person responded to what could have bin interesting
> > educational experience for this NG. Carpenter you became good field
tuner
> > parts sealer and assembler, stay there, do not embark on job you have no
> > means to evaluate, must of all do not involve people who literarily put
> > bread on your table by providing you with quality machine shop service.
> >
> > That is all, you dismissed.
> >
> > "BILL ONEAL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > George,
> > > Are you an idiot?
> > > Go back and re-read all of my posts on this subject from the begining.
> > > Either you cannot read, or comprhend plain english, or, like I suspect
> to
> > > are just to stupid to acknowledge what I wrote.
> > >
> > > Bill O'Neal
> > > WCM
> > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Bull shit magician. Mill has not measured or evaluated ports until I
> > call
> > > > him and ask him to do it for the record.  Quit hiding behind his
name,
> > if
> > > > you so sure about his statement to you, how about invading him to
post
> > > > response in person on this NG, it will never happen because he would
> > never
> > > > make such a foolish remark as you like for us to believe. His
> > measurements
> > > > are exact as that of the original port time area designed and ported
> by
> > > this
> > > > tuner. I ask Miller if cylinder in his possession is ported? Yes it
is
> > > > ported was his reply. You are conniving slick sales man, if there
was
> at
> > > > least minute amount of decency in you, you would apologize and quit
> > making
> > > > fool out of man who helps you to survive in your busines. My offer
> still
> > > > stands. Sent cylinder to Harry or Giz for port time evaluation be
for
> > > boring
> > > > job, or to any shop that can do port flow evaluation. If it dos not
> > > > correspond to my posted data I will refund money  to Douglas and
ship
> > him
> > > > new cylinder.
> > > >
> > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Geogre,
> > > > > That is a total lie.  Mel told me exactly what he found.
> > > > >
> > > > > You are so full of BS you believe it yourself.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > WCM
> > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Bill I talk to Miller, he never said anything about cylinder
> porting
> > > to
> > > > > you
> > > > > > or any one else. I never had any problem with Miller period.
Quit
> > your
> > > > > > unfounded remarks. As far as Harry is concerned I did not attack
> > him,
> > > he
> > > > > is
> > > > > > the one who begun his accusations towards me and my son Mark
That
> > > record
> > > > > is
> > > > > > available in one of the PWCI magazines.
> > > > > > Ironically it has to do with identical subject involved in this
> > tread,
> > > a
> > > > > > flow bench work.
> > > > > > Even so I do not have any hard feelings against Harry.
> > > > > > Look at the beginning of this ongoing tread, I did not do a
single
> > > thing
> > > > > to
> > > > > > provoke these arguments. It was you who misdirected my customer,
> it
> > > was
> > > > > you
> > > > > > who could not wait  to smear my name again. If you had the brain
> > > > capacity
> > > > > to
> > > > > > evaluate my porting work you would never suggested or even think
> of
> > > > > getting
> > > > > > involved with this mass. Bill you are double face ugly dude..
> > > > > > I'm going to respect wishes of my customer, this subject is
> > finished,
> > > > pick
> > > > > > up cylinder from Miller and ship it to my shop, and when you
make
> > > extra
> > > > > > money sent it to me as well. I will return your 920 master peace
> top
> > > end
> > > > > > which you rip me off at the rate of $ 2000.00. Just do it and I
> will
> > > > > pretend
> > > > > > that you do not exist.
> > > > > > GJG
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > >
> > >
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > George,
> > > > > > > I did not "supply Douglas with bogus information" from a
visual
> > > > > inspection
> > > > > > > that I made. I told him what Mel told me after he looked at
the
> > > > clyinder
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > called me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again, you continue to mix the facts with your version of the
> > truth.
> > > > You
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > continue to lie to the people here to make yourself look good
> and
> > > try
> > > > to
> > > > > > > discredit me and  others.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why do you continue to act like a child ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Truth is, you know very little about what the rest of this
> > industry
> > > is
> > > > > > > doing, or is capable of doing. You don't know me, Harry, Mel
and
> > the
> > > > > many
> > > > > > > others you continue to put down.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is sad to see a talented man, such as yourself, stooping to
> > such
> > > > low
> > > > > > > levels to promote yourself and your business.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here are the facts. Try to comphrend them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I relayed a message to Douglas from Mel.
> > > > > > > Watercraft Magic is not charging Douglas a dime.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Those two facts alone blow all of your last several remarks
> about
> > me
> > > > and
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > involvement in this deal clean out of the water. You
fabricated
> in
> > > > your
> > > > > > > twisted mind all of what you are blaming me for.
> > > > > > > You are pathetic. Go see a shrink, before it is too late. I
> still
> > > hold
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > hope for you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your best friend on the west coast,
> > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > Carpenter. You cannot even begin to comprehend basics in
fine
> > art
> > > of
> > > > > > flow
> > > > > > > > bench work. If you had any brains you would never supplied
> bogus
> > > > data
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > Douglas based on your ability to evaluated port work by
> looking
> > at
> > > > it.
> > > > > > Yes
> > > > > > > > sir  you are first class magician that's for sure. Cow that
> > makes
> > > > lots
> > > > > > > noise
> > > > > > > > produces small quantity of milk. Go back and bull shit
people
> at
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > exclusive private news group center, this place has nothing
to
> > > offer
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > man
> > > > > > > > of your qualifications who has to run round town like a
> delivery
> > > boy
> > > > > > > looking
> > > > > > > > for machine shop to bore a cylinders. How many times Miller
> told
> > > you
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > your mouth shot?
> > > > > > > > Billy you are not only homely outside, you are ugly inside
> even
> > > > more.
> > > > > > > > How in the world your wife puts up with you and your porno
> > > pictures,
> > > > I
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > newer understand
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > George,
> > > > > > > > > The only thing obivious is that your customer has asked
for
> > > > another
> > > > > > > > opinion,
> > > > > > > > > which he got.
> > > > > > > > > You obiviously know nothing of my experences in engine
> > building,
> > > > > flow
> > > > > > > > > testing, tuning or anything else.
> > > > > > > > > It is VERY obivious that you will say something about
> someone
> > > > > whenever
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > suits your purposes, no matter if it is truth or fiction.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Huff and puff, beat your chest all you want, you are still
a
> > > > little
> > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > stopes very litl
> > > > > > > > > on the big map that makes up the powersports world. You
> might
> > > try
> > > > > > > > conversing
> > > > > > > > > without all the name calling and finger pointing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > Hammer boy. It is obvious that you have no experience
what
> > so
> > > > ever
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > art of flow bench work. There are many idiots like you
in
> > this
> > > > > > > business
> > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > think that bigger hole makes more power. Not so, flow
rate
> > > true
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > begins at the cylinder bottom , it's velocity and
> direction
> > of
> > > > > flow
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > determined along the entire port surface, roof of the
> port,
> > > > > > horizontal
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > vertical angles, not at the port opening alone. Write
this
> > > down
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > understand what it means, you  skinny dipstick Transfer
> port
> > > > > opening
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > timing determines blow down area which sets the tone for
a
> > > power
> > > > > > band
> > > > > > > > > width,
> > > > > > > > > > upper and lower rpm range of engine and operating
> parameters
> > > of
> > > > > > tuned
> > > > > > > > > pipe.
> > > > > > > > > > Obviously you do not have a clue what it means when I
said
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > transfer
> > > > > > > > > > ports set up on this engine at 3600 rpm wide, low 4900
> high
> > > > 8500.
> > > > > > How
> > > > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > > do you spin your crank tricky dickey? How many 951
engines
> > you
> > > > see
> > > > > > > > turning
> > > > > > > > > > 8500 rpm? As far as exhaust timing is concerned it is
way
> up
> > > on
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > monster to begin with. Some OEM cylinders set at 200
> degree
> > > > > duration
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > factory. How much more timing you think this engine can
> > handle
> > > > if
> > > > > > > > customer
> > > > > > > > > > requests lasting power plant and wants to run it on pump
> > fuel.
> > > > > Read
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > response again you jerk. Exhaust Port Time Area as it
was
> > set
> > > up
> > > > > in
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > shop
> > > > > > > > > > was good  @ 7450 rpm. With additional base gasket
sandwich
> > > this
> > > > > > > cylinder
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > ready for serious racing at much higher rpm. How many
all
> > out
> > > > race
> > > > > > > > machine
> > > > > > > > > > run on pump fuel in your neck of the woods? Your brain
is
> so
> > > > > warped
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > cant see straight lines any more. Douglas requested
> > > compression
> > > > > > ratio
> > > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > > for pump gas, that is what he received. All out race
> engine
> > > > > > requires,
> > > > > > > > > higher
> > > > > > > > > > octane fuel and change in compression ratio, where have
> you
> > > bin
> > > > > > > > carpenter?
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > had his head in my shop to do so. For reason unknown to
me
> > he
> > > > ask
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > send
> > > > > > > > > > that head back. That is all I know. Now regarding stupid
> > > remark
> > > > > made
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > top of this post by people who graduated from same alley
> > shop
> > > as
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > did.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > say this. If you guys do not have the knowledge
regarding
> > port
> > > > > > timing,
> > > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > time area, and do not understand how this is tied to  a
> > horse
> > > > > power
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > tuned system, keep you ignorant remarks to your self. I
> have
> > > one
> > > > > > > answer
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > morons like you.
> > > > > > > > > > Bagger ports, mean nothing if entire system is not
working
> > > > > together.
> > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > have exhaust ports big enough to stick you dumb head
true
> > it,
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > transfer
> > > > > > > > > > cut bigger then your ass, it amounts to nothing, nada,
> zero,
> > > in
> > > > > such
> > > > > > > > case
> > > > > > > > > > power delivery will be determined by induction system
size
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > carburetor
> > > > > > > > > > and read cage or rotary valve duration.
> > > > > > > > > > Scott I suggest that you go back to what you do best.
> > Assemble
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > engines
> > > > > > > > > > using professionally made parts, tuned it and enjoy some
> one
> > > > > else's
> > > > > > > > > knowlage
> > > > > > > > > > which made  it all possible. As for you carpenter go
back
> to
> > > > > > removing
> > > > > > > > PTO
> > > > > > > > > > and Flywheels using pipe wrench and hammer. Sell after
> > market
> > > > > > products
> > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > ware made by smarter people then you ever will be. When
> you
> > > make
> > > > > > > enough
> > > > > > > > > > money, pleas send my $ 2000 dollars back for the 920  VE
> > > > abortion
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > sold
> > > > > > > > > > to me.
> > > > > > > > > > Be good to Miller and SBT with out them you would have
to
> go
> > > > back
> > > > > > > > building
> > > > > > > > > > garages. Who knows it may happen sooner then you think.
> PS.
> > > Even
> > > > > > > guryla
> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > learn how to assemble simple two stroke motor. I give
you
> a
> > > > credit
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > the slickest  sales man in water craft business and good
> > tuner
> > > > as
> > > > > > > well,
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > to mansion the ugliest SOB on water and land. LOL
> > > > > > > > > >  That is all, you dismissed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > George Grabowski
> > > > > > > > > > HPT Sport USA
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bill you are so fool of crap that you cant even see
> > > clearly
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > more.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > call
> > > > > > > > > > > > Miller to verify if the cylinder in his shop has HPT
> > > serial
> > > > > > number
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > > did and it is the cylinder which I ported. I ask
> Miller
> > if
> > > > he
> > > > > > made
> > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > > evaluation as to port specification he said he did
> not.
> > I
> > > > also
> > > > > > ask
> > > > > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > > made any remarks regarding porting work he said no.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So, just like I said, We made no performance comments
> > about
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > > clyinder"
> > > > > > > > > > > Where's the lie?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  Fallowing day I pull
> > > > > > > > > > > > complete record of this job, I call Miller again and
> ask
> > > him
> > > > > if
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > > > measure ports, he said he will when time permits.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Today he call me and provided measurements of the
> ports.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, He called me too.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Due to wear on cylinder he could not measure port
> height
> > > > > > precisely
> > > > > > > > > best
> > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > > could do is to measure exhaust port height at it's
> > tangent
> > > > > point
> > > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > > flat
> > > > > > > > > > > > surface begins and at the bottom of the  port.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > His dimensions are from the cylinder top.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Exhaust port height  = 38.72 mm flat  and 39.44 mm
to
> > > > radius.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 64.3 mm at widest point and 60.4 mm at main transfer
> > > > opening.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Main transfers 62.64 mm from deck.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 5 th port  63.18 mm from deck.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline, is the exhaust port was widened 2mm and
the
> > main
> > > > > boost
> > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > raised up a bit and the rest was "shined up" with a
> > sanding
> > > > > wheel.
> > > > > > A
> > > > > > > > > > > recreational port job at best.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry about Douglas, by now he is beginning to
> > > realize
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > > another victim of  self centered greedy carpenter.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What part of "WATERCRAFT MAGIC STANDS TO GAIN NO
PROFIT"
> > do
> > > > you
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > understand, George? Are you retarded?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just who made the profit here? It seems Doug asked for
> "SS
> > > > > closed
> > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > porting" (see first post in this thread) and he got
> > > > recreational
> > > > > > > > > porting.
> > > > > > > > > > > Did he pay for recreational porting? Do you know the
> > > > difference?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Maybe that explains why we NEVER see HPT ported racers
> at
> > > the
> > > > > tech
> > > > > > > > tent
> > > > > > > > > > > after a race......
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Give it a rest you blowhard. BTW, Doug aploigized to
me
> > this
> > > > > > morning
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > dragging me back into your BS web.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > George,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You have become a delusional old man in your
> > retirment.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > There was no "conspiracy" against HPT Sport from
me,
> > > Doug
> > > > or
> > > > > > > > Miller.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The fact is that Doug wanted an "evalaution" done
on
> > his
> > > > > > > clyinder,
> > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > asked me to forward it to Mel to have him check it
> > out.
> > > > Mel
> > > > > > told
> > > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > looked at it and saw no great amount of porting
had
> > been
> > > > > done.
> > > > > > > He
> > > > > > > > > said
> > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared that you had "shined up the ports some".
He
> > > said
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > > > > several thousandths of taper and one hole was
> several
> > > > > > > thousandths
> > > > > > > > > > larger
> > > > > > > > > > > > > than the other. He said it needed to be bored.
> Nothing
> > > > more,
> > > > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > > > > less.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > He did not comment on the performance capabilities
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > clyinder,
> > > > > > > > > > nor
> > > > > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I comment on the performance capabilities of this
> > > clyinder
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I emailed Doug. I told Doug that if he wanted it
> > ported
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > racing,
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > cost $500.00 to have Mel do it right. I also told
> him
> > to
> > > > > send
> > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > pistons so that it could be bored and honed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you think using Miller's machine shop is
somehow
> a
> > > bad
> > > > > > thing,
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sorely mistaken. His work is excellent. Watercraft
> > Magic
> > > > has
> > > > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > > > about providing excellent racing engines to our
> > > customers.
> > > > > To
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > that,
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > CHOOSE to use the best machinist in the business.
> > Unlike
> > > > > you,
> > > > > > > Mel
> > > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > use an old Bridgeport for boring clyinders, and he
> > does
> > > > not
> > > > > > use
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > handheld
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hone for honing. He uses the best German boring
bar
> > > made,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > Sunnen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > precision honing machine for the finish touches to
> his
> > > > > > > clyinders.
> > > > > > > > > His
> > > > > > > > > > > > lathe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is not some Chinese POS like yours. Personally, I
> have
> > > to
> > > > > > wonder
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > taper and the different bore sizes are from when
you
> > > > > machined
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > came afterward. I will not speculate on that
though,
> > as
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > done almost three years ago, so I will give you
the
> > > > benefit
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > doubt,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > even knowing what type of equiptment you have to
> work
> > > > with.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > My customers' clyinders that I have him (Miller)
> > > machine,
> > > > > bore
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > me are sitting right on the bench next to several
> > > > clyinders
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > Team
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kawasaki Racing. In fact, most of the top racing
> teams
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > world
> > > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Miller for their machining and porting. For you to
> say
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > > Watercraft
> > > > > > > > > > > > Magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is somwhow less than good for using Miller Two
> Stroke
> > > > > > > Engineering
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > machine shop, and eluding to the fact that it
would
> be
> > > > > better
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > HPT
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hack out a bunch of crap from a trailer is
> > ludricrious,
> > > at
> > > > > > best.
> > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > shows just how out of touch with reality that you
> are.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody told Doug that your porting job was "bad".
In
> > > fact,
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > reading
> > > > > > > > > > > > > these posts here, I can't even find where Doug
said
> it
> > > was
> > > > > > bad.
> > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > one who has jumped to conclusions, and are
spouting
> > the
> > > > > normal
> > > > > > > > crap
> > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > how bad my work is and how great you are. I
> certainly
> > > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > expected
> > > > > > > > > > > > > anything less from you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug asked what a REAL port job would cost him,
and
> > Mel
> > > > said
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for $500.00. He also said he really did not want
to
> > > touch
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > > > > > > because it has HPT engraved on the end of it. He
> said
> > > > > "nothing
> > > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > become of this if George is involved", or
something
> to
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > effect.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now quit blowing smoke up everybody's ass,
pounding
> on
> > > > your
> > > > > > > chest
> > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ape. Doug sent you a clyinder for porting, you
> charged
> > > ( I
> > > > > > > assume)
> > > > > > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > minimal amount to port it, and he got a minimial
> > porting
> > > > job
> > > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > > Period.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to call him names, and there is
no
> > need
> > > > to
> > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > BS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with me, either. You are not the center of the
> > universe
> > > > for
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you might think.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > No wonder you are in court spending your money on
> > > defense
> > > > > > > > > > > > lawyers..........
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > WCM stands to make no profit from sending that
> > clyinder
> > > to
> > > > > > > Miller
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > evaulate for Doug.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Douglas. Are you suddenly became mentally
> retarded?
> > > > What
> > > > > > > > > happened?
> > > > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fall
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > off the ski and hit the river bottom. Go read
your
> > > > > original
> > > > > > > > post.
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > give crap what carpenter told you, he cant even
> bore
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > cylinder
> > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shop, and you believe in his ability to look at
> > > cylinder
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > evaluate
> > > > > > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > timing with his pipe wrench and hammer ?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You sound and smell like used up useless old
puss.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you want to race all out mod machine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Invest your time with your kid and your wife.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Blewbyou2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also george what accusations did i make toward
> you
> > ?
> > > i
> > > > > > dont
> > > > > > > > > > remember
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making an accutation toward you , or your work
,
> i
> > > > came
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > asked
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > why I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was being TOLD something about my cylinder ,
and
> > > > wanted
> > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > explination
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > from you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,as to why this person was telling me this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is not slander my good buddy .
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