Re: george question about work you did for me

George,
I never posted anything derogatory about you or that clyinder. Again, you
take this opportunity to make a mountian from a molehill. You pound your
chest like an ape. You tell me what I know and what I don't know, yet you
have never known me and do not know what I do, or what I am capable of. You
speak as though Mel Miller is your buddy. You haven't a clue. When I read
him all the specs on that clyinder that you posted here, he just laughed !
Asked me what kind of idiot tries to impess the world with his rambling
posts that mean absoultly nothing to anyone other than himself. Truth is, he
thinks less of you now than ever.

You speak of lawsuits, slander and libel. Yet you are the wrost offender
ever to post here. I do not enjoy seeing anyone in court, but I surely
understand why you are there, if anyone from this newsgroup deserves to be
there, it is you. You are so immature, you continue to bash away at people
you don't even know.

I hope you look at that VE clyinder each and every day for the rest of your
life. And someday, the reality of how you ended up with it will somehow come
back to you in that fog in your head. You can rant and rave all you want,
but you know it was your choice, against my better judgement, to send you
that clyinder. You paid dealer cost for it, I did not make money from the
sale, but I have endured your twisted BS about it ever since. I made every
attempt possible to hook you up with the right people to solve that problem,
yet you never acknowledged it once in all of your rants about it. You need
to take the responsibility for your decisions, and quit blaming the world
for your mistakes. Repeat after me, " I George Grabroski, am the best two
stroke machinist, and I can fix anything, so send me that clyinder". Those
were pretty much your words when you ordered me to send it to you. If you
really try had enough, you just might remember saying those words to me.

You are a mentally disturbed old man who needs professional help. Living
alone has made you even more beligerent and hateful. I hope for your sake,
and those around you, that you start growing again, and stop regressing.

And BTW, wether you know it or not, you have been "dismissed" by the rest of
this industry for years.

Doug asked me to send his clyinder back to you for a free boring job and a
new flow test. I will be happy to oblidge him. Do you want me to remove the
GroupK sticker? :)

Here is to hoping that you make a full recovery and become a productive
participant in the few years you have left on this planet. Now, go eat your
oatmeal.

Bill O'Neal
WCM

Bill O'Neal
WCM
"Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> As instructed, pick up cylinder from Miller and ship it to.
>
> HPT Sport USA
> 930 Bryant Ford Rd.
> Paducah KY 42003.
>
> I'm not interested in your conniving poetry. I know that you deliberately
> mislead my customer, and attempted to use your best friend to create
> negative opinion about HPT Sport USA.
> You under estimated Miller and his character. I know from very beginning
> that he would never provide bogus information never. I have not meet him
in
> person, but in dealing with him  I recognize man with integrity which you
> will never achieve.
> I was right, truth has prevailed and this subject is history. I strongly
> suggest that you repay $ 2000 which you manage to swindle from me for that
> useless 920 VE peace of crap. As long as it sits on my table I will be
> remained how once I respected you, and how you turn out to be in real
life.
> Take this to hard you ugly SOB. Learn how to do porting evaluation in
person
> be for you open your fitly mouth again. HP is directly proportional to air
> flow in cylinder, BMEP is by product of Port Time Area.
> Evaluation of port timing by visual inspection means nothing, zero.
> Dimensions also do not produce entire picture, uneven chamfering of a port
> alone will change air flow drastically. The only way to balance port
timing
> and direction of  flow in to a chamber is by air flow measurements of each
> port individually. The ignorance exhibited by you and so call highly
> educated supporters of yours, has proven again how realy stupid you and
they
> are. Judging by missing professional response on this NG to my basic 30
> question posted early, you and rest of your backers are still operating in
> dark age. Only one person responded to what could have bin interesting
> educational experience for this NG. Carpenter you became good field tuner
> parts sealer and assembler, stay there, do not embark on job you have no
> means to evaluate, must of all do not involve people who literarily put
> bread on your table by providing you with quality machine shop service.
>
> That is all, you dismissed.
>
> "BILL ONEAL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > George,
> > Are you an idiot?
> > Go back and re-read all of my posts on this subject from the begining.
> > Either you cannot read, or comprhend plain english, or, like I suspect
to
> > are just to stupid to acknowledge what I wrote.
> >
> > Bill O'Neal
> > WCM
> > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Bull shit magician. Mill has not measured or evaluated ports until I
> call
> > > him and ask him to do it for the record.  Quit hiding behind his name,
> if
> > > you so sure about his statement to you, how about invading him to post
> > > response in person on this NG, it will never happen because he would
> never
> > > make such a foolish remark as you like for us to believe. His
> measurements
> > > are exact as that of the original port time area designed and ported
by
> > this
> > > tuner. I ask Miller if cylinder in his possession is ported? Yes it is
> > > ported was his reply. You are conniving slick sales man, if there was
at
> > > least minute amount of decency in you, you would apologize and quit
> making
> > > fool out of man who helps you to survive in your busines. My offer
still
> > > stands. Sent cylinder to Harry or Giz for port time evaluation be for
> > boring
> > > job, or to any shop that can do port flow evaluation. If it dos not
> > > correspond to my posted data I will refund money  to Douglas and ship
> him
> > > new cylinder.
> > >
> > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Geogre,
> > > > That is a total lie.  Mel told me exactly what he found.
> > > >
> > > > You are so full of BS you believe it yourself.
> > > >
> > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > WCM
> > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Bill I talk to Miller, he never said anything about cylinder
porting
> > to
> > > > you
> > > > > or any one else. I never had any problem with Miller period. Quit
> your
> > > > > unfounded remarks. As far as Harry is concerned I did not attack
> him,
> > he
> > > > is
> > > > > the one who begun his accusations towards me and my son Mark That
> > record
> > > > is
> > > > > available in one of the PWCI magazines.
> > > > > Ironically it has to do with identical subject involved in this
> tread,
> > a
> > > > > flow bench work.
> > > > > Even so I do not have any hard feelings against Harry.
> > > > > Look at the beginning of this ongoing tread, I did not do a single
> > thing
> > > > to
> > > > > provoke these arguments. It was you who misdirected my customer,
it
> > was
> > > > you
> > > > > who could not wait  to smear my name again. If you had the brain
> > > capacity
> > > > to
> > > > > evaluate my porting work you would never suggested or even think
of
> > > > getting
> > > > > involved with this mass. Bill you are double face ugly dude..
> > > > > I'm going to respect wishes of my customer, this subject is
> finished,
> > > pick
> > > > > up cylinder from Miller and ship it to my shop, and when you make
> > extra
> > > > > money sent it to me as well. I will return your 920 master peace
top
> > end
> > > > > which you rip me off at the rate of $ 2000.00. Just do it and I
will
> > > > pretend
> > > > > that you do not exist.
> > > > > GJG
> > > > >
> > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > >
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > George,
> > > > > > I did not "supply Douglas with bogus information" from a visual
> > > > inspection
> > > > > > that I made. I told him what Mel told me after he looked at the
> > > clyinder
> > > > > and
> > > > > > called me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again, you continue to mix the facts with your version of the
> truth.
> > > You
> > > > > to
> > > > > > continue to lie to the people here to make yourself look good
and
> > try
> > > to
> > > > > > discredit me and  others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why do you continue to act like a child ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Truth is, you know very little about what the rest of this
> industry
> > is
> > > > > > doing, or is capable of doing. You don't know me, Harry, Mel and
> the
> > > > many
> > > > > > others you continue to put down.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is sad to see a talented man, such as yourself, stooping to
> such
> > > low
> > > > > > levels to promote yourself and your business.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here are the facts. Try to comphrend them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I relayed a message to Douglas from Mel.
> > > > > > Watercraft Magic is not charging Douglas a dime.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those two facts alone blow all of your last several remarks
about
> me
> > > and
> > > > > my
> > > > > > involvement in this deal clean out of the water. You fabricated
in
> > > your
> > > > > > twisted mind all of what you are blaming me for.
> > > > > > You are pathetic. Go see a shrink, before it is too late. I
still
> > hold
> > > > out
> > > > > > hope for you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your best friend on the west coast,
> > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > Carpenter. You cannot even begin to comprehend basics in fine
> art
> > of
> > > > > flow
> > > > > > > bench work. If you had any brains you would never supplied
bogus
> > > data
> > > > to
> > > > > > > Douglas based on your ability to evaluated port work by
looking
> at
> > > it.
> > > > > Yes
> > > > > > > sir  you are first class magician that's for sure. Cow that
> makes
> > > lots
> > > > > > noise
> > > > > > > produces small quantity of milk. Go back and bull shit people
at
> > > your
> > > > > > > exclusive private news group center, this place has nothing to
> > offer
> > > > for
> > > > > > man
> > > > > > > of your qualifications who has to run round town like a
delivery
> > boy
> > > > > > looking
> > > > > > > for machine shop to bore a cylinders. How many times Miller
told
> > you
> > > > to
> > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > your mouth shot?
> > > > > > > Billy you are not only homely outside, you are ugly inside
even
> > > more.
> > > > > > > How in the world your wife puts up with you and your porno
> > pictures,
> > > I
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > newer understand
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > >
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > George,
> > > > > > > > The only thing obivious is that your customer has asked for
> > > another
> > > > > > > opinion,
> > > > > > > > which he got.
> > > > > > > > You obiviously know nothing of my experences in engine
> building,
> > > > flow
> > > > > > > > testing, tuning or anything else.
> > > > > > > > It is VERY obivious that you will say something about
someone
> > > > whenever
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > suits your purposes, no matter if it is truth or fiction.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Huff and puff, beat your chest all you want, you are still a
> > > little
> > > > > gas
> > > > > > > stopes very litl
> > > > > > > > on the big map that makes up the powersports world. You
might
> > try
> > > > > > > conversing
> > > > > > > > without all the name calling and finger pointing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > Hammer boy. It is obvious that you have no experience what
> so
> > > ever
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > art of flow bench work. There are many idiots like you in
> this
> > > > > > business
> > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > think that bigger hole makes more power. Not so, flow rate
> > true
> > > > the
> > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > begins at the cylinder bottom , it's velocity and
direction
> of
> > > > flow
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > determined along the entire port surface, roof of the
port,
> > > > > horizontal
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > vertical angles, not at the port opening alone. Write this
> > down
> > > > and
> > > > > > try
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > understand what it means, you  skinny dipstick Transfer
port
> > > > opening
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > timing determines blow down area which sets the tone for a
> > power
> > > > > band
> > > > > > > > width,
> > > > > > > > > upper and lower rpm range of engine and operating
parameters
> > of
> > > > > tuned
> > > > > > > > pipe.
> > > > > > > > > Obviously you do not have a clue what it means when I said
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > transfer
> > > > > > > > > ports set up on this engine at 3600 rpm wide, low 4900
high
> > > 8500.
> > > > > How
> > > > > > > fast
> > > > > > > > > do you spin your crank tricky dickey? How many 951 engines
> you
> > > see
> > > > > > > turning
> > > > > > > > > 8500 rpm? As far as exhaust timing is concerned it is way
up
> > on
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > monster to begin with. Some OEM cylinders set at 200
degree
> > > > duration
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > factory. How much more timing you think this engine can
> handle
> > > if
> > > > > > > customer
> > > > > > > > > requests lasting power plant and wants to run it on pump
> fuel.
> > > > Read
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > response again you jerk. Exhaust Port Time Area as it was
> set
> > up
> > > > in
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > > shop
> > > > > > > > > was good  @ 7450 rpm. With additional base gasket sandwich
> > this
> > > > > > cylinder
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > ready for serious racing at much higher rpm. How many all
> out
> > > race
> > > > > > > machine
> > > > > > > > > run on pump fuel in your neck of the woods? Your brain is
so
> > > > warped
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > cant see straight lines any more. Douglas requested
> > compression
> > > > > ratio
> > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > for pump gas, that is what he received. All out race
engine
> > > > > requires,
> > > > > > > > higher
> > > > > > > > > octane fuel and change in compression ratio, where have
you
> > bin
> > > > > > > carpenter?
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > had his head in my shop to do so. For reason unknown to me
> he
> > > ask
> > > > to
> > > > > > > send
> > > > > > > > > that head back. That is all I know. Now regarding stupid
> > remark
> > > > made
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > top of this post by people who graduated from same alley
> shop
> > as
> > > > you
> > > > > > > did.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > say this. If you guys do not have the knowledge regarding
> port
> > > > > timing,
> > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > time area, and do not understand how this is tied to  a
> horse
> > > > power
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > tuned system, keep you ignorant remarks to your self. I
have
> > one
> > > > > > answer
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > morons like you.
> > > > > > > > > Bagger ports, mean nothing if entire system is not working
> > > > together.
> > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > have exhaust ports big enough to stick you dumb head true
> it,
> > > and
> > > > > > > transfer
> > > > > > > > > cut bigger then your ass, it amounts to nothing, nada,
zero,
> > in
> > > > such
> > > > > > > case
> > > > > > > > > power delivery will be determined by induction system size
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > carburetor
> > > > > > > > > and read cage or rotary valve duration.
> > > > > > > > > Scott I suggest that you go back to what you do best.
> Assemble
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > engines
> > > > > > > > > using professionally made parts, tuned it and enjoy some
one
> > > > else's
> > > > > > > > knowlage
> > > > > > > > > which made  it all possible. As for you carpenter go back
to
> > > > > removing
> > > > > > > PTO
> > > > > > > > > and Flywheels using pipe wrench and hammer. Sell after
> market
> > > > > products
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > ware made by smarter people then you ever will be. When
you
> > make
> > > > > > enough
> > > > > > > > > money, pleas send my $ 2000 dollars back for the 920  VE
> > > abortion
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > sold
> > > > > > > > > to me.
> > > > > > > > > Be good to Miller and SBT with out them you would have to
go
> > > back
> > > > > > > building
> > > > > > > > > garages. Who knows it may happen sooner then you think.
PS.
> > Even
> > > > > > guryla
> > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > learn how to assemble simple two stroke motor. I give you
a
> > > credit
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > the slickest  sales man in water craft business and good
> tuner
> > > as
> > > > > > well,
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > to mansion the ugliest SOB on water and land. LOL
> > > > > > > > >  That is all, you dismissed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > George Grabowski
> > > > > > > > > HPT Sport USA
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > >
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > Bill you are so fool of crap that you cant even see
> > clearly
> > > > any
> > > > > > > more.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > call
> > > > > > > > > > > Miller to verify if the cylinder in his shop has HPT
> > serial
> > > > > number
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > > did and it is the cylinder which I ported. I ask
Miller
> if
> > > he
> > > > > made
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > > evaluation as to port specification he said he did
not.
> I
> > > also
> > > > > ask
> > > > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > made any remarks regarding porting work he said no.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So, just like I said, We made no performance comments
> about
> > > this
> > > > > > > > clyinder"
> > > > > > > > > > Where's the lie?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  Fallowing day I pull
> > > > > > > > > > > complete record of this job, I call Miller again and
ask
> > him
> > > > if
> > > > > he
> > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > > measure ports, he said he will when time permits.
> > > > > > > > > > > Today he call me and provided measurements of the
ports.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, He called me too.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Due to wear on cylinder he could not measure port
height
> > > > > precisely
> > > > > > > > best
> > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > could do is to measure exhaust port height at it's
> tangent
> > > > point
> > > > > > > where
> > > > > > > > > > flat
> > > > > > > > > > > surface begins and at the bottom of the  port.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > His dimensions are from the cylinder top.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Exhaust port height  = 38.72 mm flat  and 39.44 mm to
> > > radius.
> > > > > > > > > > > 64.3 mm at widest point and 60.4 mm at main transfer
> > > opening.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Main transfers 62.64 mm from deck.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 5 th port  63.18 mm from deck.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Bottomline, is the exhaust port was widened 2mm and the
> main
> > > > boost
> > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > raised up a bit and the rest was "shined up" with a
> sanding
> > > > wheel.
> > > > > A
> > > > > > > > > > recreational port job at best.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Don't worry about Douglas, by now he is beginning to
> > realize
> > > > > that
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > another victim of  self centered greedy carpenter.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What part of "WATERCRAFT MAGIC STANDS TO GAIN NO PROFIT"
> do
> > > you
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > understand, George? Are you retarded?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just who made the profit here? It seems Doug asked for
"SS
> > > > closed
> > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > porting" (see first post in this thread) and he got
> > > recreational
> > > > > > > > porting.
> > > > > > > > > > Did he pay for recreational porting? Do you know the
> > > difference?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Maybe that explains why we NEVER see HPT ported racers
at
> > the
> > > > tech
> > > > > > > tent
> > > > > > > > > > after a race......
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Give it a rest you blowhard. BTW, Doug aploigized to me
> this
> > > > > morning
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > dragging me back into your BS web.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > > > WCM
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> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "W.S. O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > George,
> > > > > > > > > > > > You have become a delusional old man in your
> retirment.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > There was no "conspiracy" against HPT Sport from me,
> > Doug
> > > or
> > > > > > > Miller.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The fact is that Doug wanted an "evalaution" done on
> his
> > > > > > clyinder,
> > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > > asked me to forward it to Mel to have him check it
> out.
> > > Mel
> > > > > told
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > > > > looked at it and saw no great amount of porting had
> been
> > > > done.
> > > > > > He
> > > > > > > > said
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > appeared that you had "shined up the ports some". He
> > said
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > > > several thousandths of taper and one hole was
several
> > > > > > thousandths
> > > > > > > > > larger
> > > > > > > > > > > > than the other. He said it needed to be bored.
Nothing
> > > more,
> > > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > > > less.
> > > > > > > > > > > > He did not comment on the performance capabilities
of
> > the
> > > > > > > clyinder,
> > > > > > > > > nor
> > > > > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > > I comment on the performance capabilities of this
> > clyinder
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > > > I emailed Doug. I told Doug that if he wanted it
> ported
> > > for
> > > > > > > racing,
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > cost $500.00 to have Mel do it right. I also told
him
> to
> > > > send
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > > > pistons so that it could be bored and honed.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you think using Miller's machine shop is somehow
a
> > bad
> > > > > thing,
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > > sorely mistaken. His work is excellent. Watercraft
> Magic
> > > has
> > > > > > > always
> > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > > about providing excellent racing engines to our
> > customers.
> > > > To
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > > that,
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > CHOOSE to use the best machinist in the business.
> Unlike
> > > > you,
> > > > > > Mel
> > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > use an old Bridgeport for boring clyinders, and he
> does
> > > not
> > > > > use
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > handheld
> > > > > > > > > > > > hone for honing. He uses the best German boring bar
> > made,
> > > > and
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > Sunnen
> > > > > > > > > > > > precision honing machine for the finish touches to
his
> > > > > > clyinders.
> > > > > > > > His
> > > > > > > > > > > lathe
> > > > > > > > > > > > is not some Chinese POS like yours. Personally, I
have
> > to
> > > > > wonder
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > taper and the different bore sizes are from when you
> > > > machined
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > came afterward. I will not speculate on that though,
> as
> > > this
> > > > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > done almost three years ago, so I will give you the
> > > benefit
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > doubt,
> > > > > > > > > > > > even knowing what type of equiptment you have to
work
> > > with.
> > > > > > > > > > > > My customers' clyinders that I have him (Miller)
> > machine,
> > > > bore
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > me are sitting right on the bench next to several
> > > clyinders
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > > Team
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kawasaki Racing. In fact, most of the top racing
teams
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > world
> > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > Miller for their machining and porting. For you to
say
> > > that
> > > > > > > > Watercraft
> > > > > > > > > > > Magic
> > > > > > > > > > > > is somwhow less than good for using Miller Two
Stroke
> > > > > > Engineering
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > machine shop, and eluding to the fact that it would
be
> > > > better
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > HPT
> > > > > > > > > > > > hack out a bunch of crap from a trailer is
> ludricrious,
> > at
> > > > > best.
> > > > > > > It
> > > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > shows just how out of touch with reality that you
are.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody told Doug that your porting job was "bad". In
> > fact,
> > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > reading
> > > > > > > > > > > > these posts here, I can't even find where Doug said
it
> > was
> > > > > bad.
> > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > one who has jumped to conclusions, and are spouting
> the
> > > > normal
> > > > > > > crap
> > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > how bad my work is and how great you are. I
certainly
> > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > expected
> > > > > > > > > > > > anything less from you.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Doug asked what a REAL port job would cost him, and
> Mel
> > > said
> > > > > he
> > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > for $500.00. He also said he really did not want to
> > touch
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > > clyinder
> > > > > > > > > > > > because it has HPT engraved on the end of it. He
said
> > > > "nothing
> > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > > > become of this if George is involved", or something
to
> > > that
> > > > > > > effect.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Now quit blowing smoke up everybody's ass, pounding
on
> > > your
> > > > > > chest
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > ape. Doug sent you a clyinder for porting, you
charged
> > ( I
> > > > > > assume)
> > > > > > > > him
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > minimal amount to port it, and he got a minimial
> porting
> > > job
> > > > > > done.
> > > > > > > > > > Period.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need to call him names, and there is no
> need
> > > to
> > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > BS
> > > > > > > > > > > > with me, either. You are not the center of the
> universe
> > > for
> > > > > many
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > you might think.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > No wonder you are in court spending your money on
> > defense
> > > > > > > > > > > lawyers..........
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > WCM stands to make no profit from sending that
> clyinder
> > to
> > > > > > Miller
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > evaulate for Doug.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bill O'Neal
> > > > > > > > > > > > WCM
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mr. HPT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Douglas. Are you suddenly became mentally
retarded?
> > > What
> > > > > > > > happened?
> > > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > fall
> > > > > > > > > > > > > off the ski and hit the river bottom. Go read your
> > > > original
> > > > > > > post.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > give crap what carpenter told you, he cant even
bore
> > > your
> > > > > > > cylinder
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > shop, and you believe in his ability to look at
> > cylinder
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > evaluate
> > > > > > > > > > > port
> > > > > > > > > > > > > timing with his pipe wrench and hammer ?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You sound and smell like used up useless old puss.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > And you want to race all out mod machine?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Invest your time with your kid and your wife.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Blewbyou2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also george what accusations did i make toward
you
> ?
> > i
> > > > > dont
> > > > > > > > > remember
> > > > > > > > > > > > ever
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > making an accutation toward you , or your work ,
i
> > > came
> > > > on
> > > > > > > here
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > asked
> > > > > > > > > > > > > why I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > was being TOLD something about my cylinder , and
> > > wanted
> > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > explination
> > > > > > > > > > > > > from you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,as to why this person was telling me this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is not slander my good buddy .
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